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08-24-2015 , 12:20 AM

Amanaplan

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1/3 - Slowish, tight fishy game.
V1 - new player, 50ish, casually dressed rec-looking player, max buy $500
V2 - 20s reg, straightforward tight passive, predictable $450.
Hero - Winning, Active, but V2 has not seen me SD yet. $650

V1 takes first hand UTG+, limps. V2 raise $20. Hero calls BTN AcAd, V1 calls.

5s5cTs V1 ck, V2 $25, hero call, V1 ck-r $75 (verbal), V2 tank clear sigh folds...

I had V2 on PP with that sizing pre, and wanted to leave him with initiative and was OK taking it 3-4 ways last to act and playing poker with AA IP. Oops.

So the range is 5x, FD, some limped JJ-KK, really couldn't add anything else in there. Action?

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08-24-2015 , 12:45 AM

dsuds

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Even though you wanted to go multiway with your AA, I think you'll make less mistakes in a heads up pot if you 3b.

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08-24-2015 , 01:11 AM

Homerphobe

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My first thought is that I'd 3! here pf the vast majority of the time. I understand your read on the reg but I'd rather be able to open up my 3! range and make the reg muck those small pairs or play a bloated pot with them oop. The only way to do that is to 3! your strong hands as well. I'd like flatting a steal raise if he was late position and there was no limp tho. As played, I think I'd have to call and reevaluate after the turn action. I would also add TT to your range.

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08-24-2015 , 02:19 AM

Elvis_Costello

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Fold Pre, Obvi

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08-24-2015 , 03:14 AM

ZuneIt

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IMO, in a tight, fishy game, OTB with AA vs. 1 limp & a raise, if the blinds are weak/tight, I see no fault in a flat when we can outplay them post-flop.
I am a 50's casually dressed rec-looking player.

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08-24-2015 , 03:52 AM

Amanaplan

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Originally Posted by ZuneIt

Is outplaying 'em here a fold, call, or raise?

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08-24-2015 , 03:58 AM

6betfold

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50 year old casually dressed rec players aren't check/raising you with a flush draw or Tx here. It's possible he could be doing this for value with a smaller overpair and saw the cbet sizing as weakness but that makes it a guessing game. But since he limped pre, his range is skewed to 5x. Fold. Also, lesson learnt: 3bet pre.

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08-24-2015 , 12:44 PM

gobbledygeek

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In what position is V2? The more EP he is, and the more active our image is, the more I'm 3betting preflop to $60. If he is capable of folding out a huge amount of hands preflop then I'm ok with the flat.

If we're going to setup higher SPRs by flatting big hands preflop, then we have to be more willing to let them go, especially in multiway pots. He could still have a soooted 5; he's seen the raiser cbet and a call, is a check/raiser really getting out-of-line here? I sigh fold.

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08-24-2015 , 12:59 PM

BackDoorFlush

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Not putting in a 3-bet pre-flop is a huge mistake, IMO. If you want to best LLSNL, then you need to eliminate FPS from your game. Flatting AA on the button is FPS on steroids.

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08-24-2015 , 01:13 PM

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gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by BackDoorFlush

Not putting in a 3-bet pre-flop is a huge mistake, IMO. If you want to best LLSNL, then you need to eliminate FPS from your game. Flatting AA on the button is FPS on steroids.

If table/players are tight and likely to fold the majority of their hands to the 3bet, then flatting isn't as horrible as you make it, imo.

Gcourse,3betmorethenG

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08-24-2015 , 02:32 PM

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Amanaplan

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

V2 in CO. He's not 4b KK and is calling pairs and maybe AKs, so super snug and I think I do better with a call sometimes.

I'm ok with the design, but wound up facing pressure from V1 wide open limp-call range because of no 3! Pre. Is there any reason NOT to fold now?

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08-24-2015 , 02:38 PM

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Amanaplan

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Originally Posted by 6betfold

OK, so you've narrowed him to JJ/QQ and 5x and still folding. Is it close?

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08-24-2015 , 06:33 PM

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6betfold

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Originally Posted by Amanaplan

OK, so you've narrowed him to JJ/QQ and 5x and still folding. Is it close?

JJ-KK very very rarely or a flush draw but that's like a 5-10% chance. 90% of the time he has 5x here, unless he's a LAG and c/r air to rep 5x because he can.

Your hand is only a bluff catcher now because you didn't 3b pre and allowed all sorts of hands to call.

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