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04-04-2016 , 11:29 AM
local live 1/3 game

me - 410
villain - 1300

i've played with villain quite frequently he's a loose aggressive player who's probably the most bluffs in range at table.

i get AA in mp, villain is utg and raises it to 40, i call, one other guy calls.

on the flop is QdJd5h - villain bets 50, i raise it to 160, other guy folds villain messes with his chips for awhile debating a call then announces 'i call - how much more?' dealer tells him. turn is air i htink like a 7s or something i instantly announce all-in. same theatrics from villain until he finally announces to call.
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04-04-2016 , 11:42 AM
Please 3bet pre. There is already $40 in there in a 1/3 game, so if he folds, it's fine.

Since you just called, the rest of the hand is fine. (I assume he check/called turn -- or did you act out of order?)
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04-04-2016 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
Please 3bet pre. There is already $40 in there in a 1/3 game, so if he folds, it's fine.

Since you just called, the rest of the hand is fine. (I assume he check/called turn -- or did you act out of order?)
ya he check called the turn.

i was really leaning on raising it to 120 preflop but the only reason i didn't is because i thought there's a good chance he can fold (seeing i'm pretty TAG and only 3bet with really strong hands) i figure if i call it's a great spot to raise his continuation bet and get more value?
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04-04-2016 , 11:56 AM
I think 3 betting pre-flop is your best play, especially if there is another player in the pot.

As played, I think your post flop play is fine.
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04-04-2016 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenophon
I think 3 betting pre-flop is your best play, especially if there is another player in the pot.

As played, I think your post flop play is fine.
ya my thinking too. the other guy was on the button and called. if someone before me called then i'd definitely raise because AA KK hands can be kinda troublesome multi way. that's where i realize my logic isn't good preflop because i don't want it multiway ideally but by just flat calling the raise i invite people in - which button did call but he folds on the flop after my raise.

Spoiler:
villain has QKdd and binks flush on river i got the board wrong in op but he had TPTK flush draw on flop


is this alright to give results after critique. i think we accurately deduced my major mistake in the hand was not 3betting preflop. i talked to someone who said should've shoved my entire stack on the flop?
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04-04-2016 , 12:02 PM
When villain raises this big pre and you have have that much behind, you want to size your 3b with the intention of shoving the flop.

When you flat this sizing pre and are that deep, you're giving your opponents free equity to stack you.

... if that makes sense
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04-04-2016 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by consigs
When villain raises this big pre and you have have that much behind, you want to size your 3b with the intention of shoving the flop.

When you flat this sizing pre and are that deep, you're giving your opponents free equity to stack you.

... if that makes sense
so make it like 200 then shove flop?
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04-04-2016 , 12:17 PM
Your post is poorly written. Here is a good example of how to post hands: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...mplate-770217/

PF: V raises to 13x? WTF? What does this mean? Any reads on this huge raise sizing, especially from UTG? While 13x is a lot, and absent reads, I still 3! to $120.

F(124): SPR is ~3. When we raise to $160, we've put in 50% of our stack. We should know at this point we are never folding. I think the raise is fine.

T(444): 7s means nothing. So you announced "All-In" out of turn? What's the question anyway?
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04-04-2016 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Below Zero
Your post is poorly written. Here is a good example of how to post hands: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...mplate-770217/

PF: V raises to 13x? WTF? What does this mean? Any reads on this huge raise sizing, especially from UTG? While 13x is a lot, and absent reads, I still 3! to $120.

F(124): SPR is ~3. When we raise to $160, we've put in 50% of our stack. We should know at this point we are never folding. I think the raise is fine.

T(444): 7s means nothing. So you announced "All-In" out of turn? What's the question anyway?
ya idk why but villain will open his hands from 25-40 preflop just how he plays. i've seen him raise it 50 preflop with a few limpers with KTs stuff like that he's just loose aggressive and opesn 10-20x bb.

no on turn he check calls me.

i don't know how to use that formatting? i usually just write them out i think it's pretty easy to understand the only thing that is unclear is where i forgot to mention he checks to me on the turn.

Last edited by spacerat; 04-04-2016 at 12:26 PM.
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04-04-2016 , 02:04 PM
I don't despise a flat preflop as thanks to his big raise we're already getting 10% of stacks in preflop (which sets up an easy stack off situation more-or-less no matter what postflop), plus enables him to do his bluffy thing postflop with us in position. But he's also loose and in EP (where I'm hoping his opening range is stronger), so I think I'd lean towards a 3bet just to get more money in now to setup an easier flop shove *unless* there is no chance of him calling that 3bet. I'd probably just go a "standard" 3x of $120 (although $100 is probably fine too) which would leave a slight overbet shove for the flop (although on dry boards we could go for 2 bets postflop).

Our flop raise size is fairly small thanks to his small lead, and we ended up giving him pretty decent 3:1 odds to call. Board is mega wet and there are a crapload of turn cards we hate. With these stacks behind, I'd just ship the flop.

As played, easy ship on the blank turn as we only have < 1/2 PSB left (which is why I woulda just shipped the flop).

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04-04-2016 , 02:26 PM
You have 137 BB

V makes it 13 BB

That raise sizing is crazy and you should be able to give us a better read based on the size.

If you call and someone else calls, then the pot is ~40 BB giving you a 4 SPR. Fine against a LAG, but you can do better. If all you do is a 3! minraise to 26 BB, his call makes the pot 52 BB giving you a 2 SPR which means you'll likely get it all in on the flop or turn.

If you make it a slightly bigger 3! to 35 BB, then the pot will be 70 BB and you'll have 102 BB and can reasonably over bet the flop all in expecting a LAG to call or better yet bet into you where he'll be calling your shove.

I think the flat preflop is your biggest mistake. You have a chance to isolate a LAG with AA and need to do it; otherwise (especially without reads on the table), you're inviting others to come and crack your Aces
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04-05-2016 , 12:35 AM
Flatting PF looks good to me unless V will auto-call a 3-bet. He's raising 13x (10% of effective stacks) and SPR will be under 5 on the flop. Against the player described, we want to keep his range as wide as possible and allow him to barrel off postflop. If other players overcall PF, that's fine as they're making a FTOP mistake by calling off over 10% of eff stacks.

As played, postflop looks good. We'd normally let him barrel off post on good boards, but this is a fairly wet board so we want to get the money in now if V flopped a pair or a draw. You end up getting the money in as a 2:1 favorite and getting unlucky, but the hand is WP IMO.
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04-05-2016 , 03:45 AM
3 bet pre all day, his raise size utg looks like a hand he's scared of playing oop, In my games this is JJ-99 or AK all day. A utg raiser is not folding this range to a 3 bet, i'd make it 115-120 pre and plan on getting it in by the turn.
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04-05-2016 , 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by RAHZero
Flatting PF looks good to me unless V will auto-call a 3-bet. He's raising 13x (10% of effective stacks) and SPR will be under 5 on the flop. Against the player described, we want to keep his range as wide as possible and allow him to barrel off postflop. If other players overcall PF, that's fine as they're making a FTOP mistake by calling off over 10% of eff stacks.

As played, postflop looks good. We'd normally let him barrel off post on good boards, but this is a fairly wet board so we want to get the money in now if V flopped a pair or a draw. You end up getting the money in as a 2:1 favorite and getting unlucky, but the hand is WP IMO.
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