This hand really bothered me so I'd like any input on what I did wrong.

$1-3 NL, full table. I'm UTG with $450 stack and AA. UTG +1 is very aggressive and limp to him. He bets $20, gets two callers including the BB. BB stack is $575. I raise to $110.

Raiser folds, caller folds, but BB calls. There's $261 in the pot.

Flop comes Ks-7s-3d. BB checks. I shove all in figuring he had AK.

He flips 3-3 for a set. I'm covered and bust out.

What would you have done?

Not shoved 34 into 26 on a dry static board when checked to allowing him to play perfectly.

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Preflop is fine. It's a good situation for a limp/raise and you exactly the effect you wanted. Flop shove gets called by better and folds worse except maybe AK. Your probably still going broke but betting $100 on flop and going from there to get value from AK and get something from QQ is better.

Ive been there a few times... it's a classic RIO situation. You have AA and you've made the villain overpay for a shot at his set... If he hit's - basically you are stick I think. I mean there's 261 in the pot and you have a 340 stack. How can you get away from that?

When someone calls a large preflop bet when I have AA - I usually put them on KK/QQ/JJ/AK. So with a flop like Ks-7s-3d you are in tough.... 8 combos of a hand you beat and will call (AK), 3 combos of hands that you are behind (KK) and the rest fold to you. So basically you have to bet.... no point giving QQ/JJ freerolls.

I would say your play was correct. You cannot do better then that.
Don't worry !

You 3bet pre like 20% of effective stacks and made a fish call to set mine.
Nothing you can do about. You are fine

I have a question: if we're V and we have AK here and we called pre for whatever reason (3!?), plan a x/r small otf are we calling this over shove? What about with KQ?

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its such a weirdo sceneario, and double flatting AK/KQ is probably so bad against most people that no flop option is really good(maybe leading small to get called once by QQ/JJ?)

I think theoretically c/f TPTK or even TPGK where we block one of the very likely holdings to take this like(KK and AA when we have AK) super hard is a mistake.

But unless a guy has ALOT of wiggle in his game or is on tilt or something It is a fold.

However I think enough weirdo stuff happens in LLSNL that there is STILL some frequency that his thought process is like "I have JJ/QQ and the guy to my left is super aggro so im gonna l/r him! Oh somebody else called...I dont know what to do so I'll shove flop"

back of the napkin range analysis:

we probably need him to be l/r and then betting 1.5x pot with JJ-AA at 100% frequency to break even calling it off.



Thoughts?

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Worst set mine in history. I'm not going to add anything new here(!), but AP pre, you are going broke post.

Another thing to consider would be how aggressive "very aggressive" is. Unless he's just some total preflop maniac, I would say the l/rr strategy is pretty risky. Even fairly aggro players tend to not try and iso pre from UTG+1. Also, your hand tends to be pretty face up to anyone with any decent hand reading ability, unless you are perceived as a maniac (which, based on a few things, I'm doubting is the case).

I think if you are V and you call 20% of your stack (for whatever reason), and you hit TP here, you need to go broke, in my game anyway. There are probably enough spaz shoves with QQ/JJ that calling here is profitable. I wouldn't be super excited to call with either of those hands pre. Shove or fold, IMO.

Play this hand 100x, you have AA and vil has 33, who is going to make most money out of it? You can't play poker to win every hand, but if you can set up insanely profitable situations and get your money in, you can't complain about the result on the times you lose.

I love our preflop play. I probably would have targetted slightly less, around $85 to hopefully induce a call while preventing ~setmining odds, but raising slightly larger due to being OOP and managing to get a caller was an even better result.

We're 100% committed on the flop thanks to getting in a quarter of our stack and setting up a lol small SPR of ~1.5. I'd be more for the flop shove if there wasn't a K on this flop (say like 9 high instead) because it brings a whiffed AK into our range that might get snapped off by a pocket pair. With the K on the flop I'd probably just bet a smaller amount and get the rest in on the turn. Although with the flush draw on the flop, a shove is fine too.

BB will never be profitable long term getting in 25% of his stack preflop setmining.

Gnicehand,imoG

My guess based on action so far is that this is a loose table, which means if we raise from up front we were most likely going to go 5+ways to the flop. In that case, we only get in ~4% of our stack preflop, and yet will often get in gross small SPR situations (such as if we went 5ways here, we'd have a resulting SPR of 4ish which means stacks should go in trivially and yet it will be very difficult to figure out if we're up against Kx or 33, meanwhile only getting in 4% of our stack preflop rather than 25%).

Course, it could definitely limp around, but that's fine too. This will create a very high SPR pot where stacks should never be in play and we can just play cautiously for a small pot (perhaps check/evaluating action, or lottsa room to bet/fold too).

Regarding playing our hand face up, that's exactly what we did and yet some idiot still put in 25% of their stack with 33. We could literally turn our hand up on the table preflop and print money using this method against these morons.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I hate the flop shove.
We're obviously getting stacks in, but lets let people make more mistakes.

I'd prefer $135 on the flop and shove most turn cards.

Don't like flop shove. 340 into 260 basically lets everything off the hook that were beating. Even if V had AK, he may fold it. If you go 130 otf and 210 OTT though, V is never folding

Granted, regardless how you played this, you're probably losing your stack

Bet flop 100

and this hand is exactly why I played the AA in the similar AA thread I started the way I did. I never said that I ALWAYS do it that way. Here, you've played the hand the right way and taken your lumps when the guy makes a risky call and basically hits a 2 outer. Like WhereBeer said earlier in the thread, I'll play that scenario 100 times in a row...gladly.

BTW, I really appreciate your input and read most of everything I could find on Kolb's site.

you're getting stacked regardless. dwai. but bet less next time.

i realize someone posted the exact same thing above, but +1'ing i think still helps, to give more weight to that opinion. it helps me when i'm asking the Q's.