Playing 1/2 last night, overall a very weak table with a couple weak regs who I recognize. Just looking to get opinions on this hand.

My stack size is around 165$, I'm dealt A9 suited in the CU.

Limped all the way around to me, I limp in as well, BU calls, SB completes and BB checks.

**Pots are routinely played with multiple limpers at 1/2 at this card room, I have also seen people limp hands like KK A10+ from all positions at the same table.

Flop comes Ad Jd 4h, Hero also picks up a back door draw.

Sb and BB check, UTG (180$~ starting stack) fires out 30$ into 20$, folded around to me, I call, folded around.

UTG is an older nit, seen him play a few hands but he hasn't really shown down with anything good to get much of a read. After I make the call, he says something along the lines of "Woah take it easy".

The turn brings the 9 of spades, UTG shoves.

Hero??? (125$ stack, 75$ pot)

I have seen people at this table limp bigger hands UTG and hope for a raise, never this player though. I instantly think that a quality player here shows up with 44 or AJ , but at this table every Ax and even flush draws show up here more often.

While I am pondering a fold/call, the guy tells me he has something "good", and asks what I have.

I don't have access to an equity calculator at work but I would try plugging in our hand against AK, AQ, AJ, KQd, QTd, 44 and maybe some other flush draws. I didn't include AA and JJ because you said you didn't think he would limp big hands UTG.

I meant to say I have seen people limp large hands in early position. I remember even like 3-4 hands before, a guy got stacked with KK after limping them in UTG.

I'd fold the flop when an "older nit" overbets it.

I agree with this range except A4 was excluded and should be in there...I don't ever put it past players to limp AA as well these days. I would've have folded flop to an overbet honestly but you went with it and hit the best card possible for your hand. As long as I plan on staying at the table for awhile, (and since you already called flop) I would call....take the info to see what he was overbetting with and hope he has A4 or some type of strong draw.

I plugged in A2+ 44, 1010+, equity was 85-15 in favor of me. I was looking for critique on the flop call as well though, so thanks for the input.

the way it's played you have to call when you spike your 9.

what are you doing limping w/ A9 if you won't call a shove w/ aces up on a pretty dry board? hoping to flop the nut-flush?

Flush over flush is never a bad thing

But no, I just know I probably made a mistake calling the flop bet and was wondering if anyone is ever folding that turn (which I knew was unlikely).

A9s can play in volume pot but when you flop just one pair you become a victim. One pair is never good in a family pot after the flop. Of course A9o is not playable out of the box unless you build some "special situational plays" around that.

Old man flopped 2 pair. Question is, whether it was AJ or A4. Guess you pretty much have to call unless you don't have A4 in his range.

EDIT--Its also possible V has AK. His line is too strong for AQ and even old nits don't over play 44 this way.

Grunch:

Pretty sure I'm snap folding the flop.
And likely folding the turn too.

Also, this range is not only optimistic, but just pretty bad.

He's not doing this with TT/QQ/KK here. And 100% not A2-A8 that are not two pair. And 95% not with AT-AQ. 70% not with AK.

This is AK a small portion of the time, A4/AJ much of the time, JJ/44 a lot of the time and a small portion of the time J4.

Raise/Fold PF. Never just calling A9

As played, fold flop.

The turn shove is interesting. Is old nit really going to bet %150 of the pot with a set or top two pair on the flop? If I think he plays bad enough to blow players off his monster hand, I fold.

They way you describe the table, I would take PF limping out of your play book. Only coming in for raises and always Cbet. You should be crushing bingo players by getting tighter and more agressive.

I totally disagree with this. With numerous limps in front of you in LP limping with AXs is profitable. Hero also said he saw many people limping strong hands. If you raise here you could be folding out flush over flush possibilities and isolating yourself against dominant hands. This is a perfect spot for flush, trips, and 2 pair mining. However, that's assuming you fold to a flop overbet with TPWK to and old man nit.

$30 into $20 pot from a nit = fold for me. Hitting a 9 on the turn blech. I'd say you're beat here more often than not.

I'm folding flop but if you call flop then surely you have to call turn?
Straight and flush draw seem quite possible, e.g. KdQd.

Grunch. Fold pre. Fold flop. A/p - I dont know - soul read the guy. I'd probably fold. Does hero have $125 left? So 125 to win 200 - Is that right? Probably fold b/c if this is a table where 10 ppl are routinely limping and a guy fires $30 - he probably has the goods. What a typical bet at the table after multiple limps?

Dont limp a bad A. Either raise or fold.

Just realized you have a suited A. Which case preflop limp is ok. I would rather raise though. Once you limp it you are really playing for the suitedness and flush/flush not to pair the A. Once you missed your flush you basically have A9o - are you really going to war with a bare A9 here? A9 is going to get you into a lot of trouble if you are.

Preflop: I definitely prefer a raise here in position. Pick up the dead money an isolate someone so you can cbet them. You describe the perfect table for this. Not only will this be more profitable in the short term (i.e. this hand right now), it will be profitable long term when our monsters get payed later off due to our aggressive image. We need to turn the LAG-switch on and turn it off once people notice.

I go with 5bb + 1 per limper. In my game this size gets me the blinds/limps 40% of the time (excellent result with A9s), one caller 40% of the time (another excellent result), and 2+ callers 20% of the time (which is still fine but we are pot controlling unless we get 2pr+). Find the raise size that gets you similar results. IME it is super super profitable.

As played we need to fold this flop. Of he'd bet 75% of the pot I think I'd call to see if the turn improves my hand. But this 150% pot bet is just too expensive; it kills our implied odds, builds the pot much too quickly for our weak hand, and prevents worse backdoor flushes from calling. The price you are being laid compared to the pot is always the most important thing. When I have a massive hand I like to bet pot or a little more on the flop because people see absolute bet sizes. Don't fall into the same trap!

AP may as well call the turn. I don't like compounding errors but this is a case where our hand improved pretty frantically and I definitely think he shows up with AK/AQ often enough for this to be profitable. I'm calling although not thrilled about it.

My thoughts when limping A9s were described by a poster in this thread. Table was limpy every hand, raising would likley get callers who have me dominated and then I'm in the same position. I made a mistake calling the overbet on the flop but after I suck out on the turn I figured I pretty much have to call. I realized how bad of a call it was when he shoved the turn and all I could think of was how easy I was running into AJ or 44.

Thanks for all of the input guys, I cringly made the call and villain showed up with A10, river bricked.

A. Raise bigger if that is the case
B. Raise premiums fold others
C. Limping hoping to out flop the fish is not a strategy. Well not a good one.

Pretty much this for me. There are way better ways to use $30. Paying off a nit with top pair weak kicker is far down that list.

Put me in the limp preflop camp. We have nice value just trying to flop a monster (2pr or trip 9s) or NFD in good position, as long as we play properly when we flop a marginal hand. Calling the flop overbet is not proper.

Lol at anyone suggesting to fold A9s preflop. How bad are you?

If you call the flop you are committed i think based on pot size compared to your stack. Flop has a bad SPR for a drawing hand. You want it higher with better implied odds. I think against a nit is a fold on the flop.

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