Hero just sits down at table and buys in for $300

Blinds are 1/3

Hero is dealt 2 hands and is now CO

Hero gets dealt 99 - raises to $15 after 1 limper.

BTN calls
BB calls
UTG calls
limper calls.

$75 pot

K33r
Checks to me
I check
BTN checks

Turn 9
BB checks
UTG bets $15
Limper raises to $30

Hero???

gross

I feel like there IS a line that can get stacks in somehow, but it's probably pretty ambitious and only wins us a small pot most of the time.

I think we have to flat here, hope UTG sees a good spot to make a move. Anyone with a 3 will certainly bet again on the river. Then we can raise. That gets two bets in with relative certainty.

Raising here looks too nutsy, and probably wins 0 bets way too often for it to be a preferable line.

I'd also typically raise here after just one limper in LP. A little unlikely/unlucky that we ended up so multiway, I'm guessing that was pretty unexpected.

There's a decent chance we have the best hand on the flop (even though Kx will often check to the raiser here). If we are best, the world most likely has a bunch of outs against our vulnerable hand, but often individually they won't be able to call a bet. I would bet small to protect my equity in the pot in the cases my hand is best. I'd bet $30ish as perhaps the last money I put in.

I'd probably just flat the turn. This gives donker a chance to go nuts behind us or pad the pot, plus we don't want to blow anyone out who is making a move / has a weak hand. Flatting 3way will create a $165 pot with $255 left, but we'll be in position and will be able to make a reasonable shove on the river over any bet. Plus board looks to be drawless so no scare cards to kill action.

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raise turn to 70 and jam river

I'm torn between 125/jam river and flat/over bet river for like 190.

I was too. We might get stacks in if he has A,3. We win a tiny pot with an awesome hand if he has 3,4

Hm... very interesting spot IMO it's actually close between a 3-bet and a flat believe it or not.

...3-bet for value because i don't expect anyone to fold a 3x here OTT they will likely bet/call to try to boat up so maybe we can 3-bet to 75-90 and try to get stacks in vs. the bet/caller. Not sure if they will call river after turn 3-bet with just 3x/trips tho our line is strong.

...Flat because we don't have a 3-betting range here lol. We rep like KK and 99 basically no bluffs, but i think since it's our 3rd hand + LLSNL villain's will still think we are full of sht.

I'm 3-betting and expecting to get 1 caller who has 3x after that jam almost every river and expect to get stacks in/double up or triple up.

I think if just flat it looks strong as well and i don't think UTG will call even 15 more just cause of that reason.

Grunch

I know it sounds like a weird line but I'd prefer a call. We severely underrep our range and it's almost a lock to go 3 ways to the river. There is when we finally spring the trap and smash the pot, definitely looking to bet like 120 if checked to or raising all in on the river.

Raise. Limper has 3x the vast majority of the time here, and he's not folding it. Like $80 or so, followed by a river shove.

Too much info left out of OP. Effective stacks? FD on turn? V ethnicities?

In a vacuum, raising blows out all V's except limper. So decision point is, do we want to keep other V's in the hand besides limper, since he's likely not going anywhere (or IS he??).

i just sat down and i bought in for $300

Most people have ether $200-$500 stacks.

The guy that raised to $30 has around my stack.

The guy that bet $15 has like a $70 stack

So minraise to $60, UTG shoves, betting is closed, limper can only call, makes for an easy river shove for most river cards?

Fuzzy headed atm, but I think that's what should happen.

The kind of player that calls raises w 34 is usually not the kind to fold trips, kicker be damned. (they're not even thinking about their kicker).

I feel like 3betting turn into 4 - 5 people is super strong. What hand could I have that checked the flop and is now 3betting turn?


Probably KK or 99
a back door flush draw came in on the turn by the way, i forgot to mention that.

If I just smooth the $30 - i could still have hands like QQ / Kx that was scared to bet into 5 people because I might be bad - they don't know me just like I don't know them - or maybe some sort of draw -

Also I have 1 person to act after me and the UTG player could jam

UTG only has $70? Definitely flat then. UTG will probably ship it, then we can see what the Limper does, he may go crazy and do all the work for us, he may flat and we can decide whether to back ship or wait and get the money in on the river.

Did 9 bring FD? It's a flat mostly given I'm not interested in having Vs ck-f rivers... Most anything that will call a turn 3 bet is going to at least ck-c (often bet again) on the riv** Your range is Obv strong either way but stacks get in more often via flat

Edit**if you flat turn

I agree with flatting here most of the time. If one of the villains has a 3 most villains will probably be betting a decent amount otr then you can shove for not much more and villains will probably call since the pot is so big and it wouldn't be much more. At the same time, if you 3! ott I think it gives them a better opportunity to fold a 3. I think this is an easy call. Basically what amanplan is saying but less coherent.

how many limpers? utg can't call if he didn't limp. limper limped, i assume? in the case that there were two limpers, you either need to overlimp, or make your raise bigger. id probably overlimp here with 99 as you run into a situation where you are likely to either go multiway and be OOP to some of the field.. or else have to make such a large raise that you isolate yourself against a much stronger range.

assuming stacks are 100bb deep to begin, we don't want to flat here. once someone bets and there is a raise and a call, the jig is up... we aren't going to induce spew bluffs on subsequent streets.. goal should then be to set up easy stacks. easy raise.

TeamKB I don't remember the exact action pre - i just know i made it $15 and had the world of callers LOL.

over limping is fine - but making it $15 is big enough most of the time just to try and clear the BTN out so I have position.

Results


I just flat

River 5c - short stack goes all in for like $25 or $30 - the raiser flats - I jam for $120 more or something - and he folds.

My hand is way good.

Bet flop. Rest of the hand was played well.

why would I bet into 4 other people?

Chances of someone having a K or 3 is very high. Also I get folds from hands I want calling like pocket 8 and 7's

77/88 aren't folding. Their ranges are way wider than Kx, 3x. And your hand is way too vulnerable to give a free card to four opponents.

i would say 77 / 88 would probably try and bluff me off my hand if they were going to continue. Although this is low stakes and people are bad, I could see someone trying to do something silly. The only merit in betting is to get a weak king to fold but I would have to double barrel. It just seems too optimistic to get 4 other people to fold. I may only bet this flop if I had a hand like KT+ in a field of that many people.

Even if I do bet flop i'm most likely giving up on turn which I set myself up to get bluffed.