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03-08-2020 , 09:10 PM

FiveDollaYo

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1/3 NL, I was not involved in the hand

Hero ($410) is a middle aged european guy. Prone to tilting and calling pf raises light and calling down postflop light too. Also not afraid to raise and plays aggressively.

V1 (covers hero) is a young white guy. Somewhere between TAG and LAG. Probably TAG as default but can adjust to LAG in certain spots.

OTTH

3 Limps from early/mid position. Hero makes it $25 with 9s9c OTB. V1 makes it $75 from the SB, 3 folds and hero calls.

Flop ($160) - 853 2 clubs
V1 bets $100, Hero Calls

Turn ($360) - 4d
V1 shoves for about $235, Hero?

Seems like a tough spot for Hero, should he fold here? maybe on a previous street?

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03-08-2020 , 09:16 PM

reaper6788

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Fold turn.

4 is one of the worst cards to call a shove on. Any A just made a straight and big AX was pretty much the only thing we were beating. 66 also just got there. The only thing hero is beating is 77 and unpaired Broadways which are going to be a small part of a TAG's 3-bet 2 barrel range here.

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03-08-2020 , 09:20 PM

Outdrawed84

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Originally Posted by reaper6788

There's only three cards on the flop.

No 2

But regardless I fold because I don't see many guys going nuts here with worse

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03-08-2020 , 09:22 PM

reaper6788

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Originally Posted by Outdrawed84

There's only three cards on the flop.

No 2

But regardless I fold because I don't see many guys going nuts here with worse

Ah there's an 8 not a 2. I also still fold.

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03-08-2020 , 09:24 PM

SABR42

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What are his 3-bet tendencies?

Flop is a really easy jam here. If you can't jam flop here, calling pre is a mistake because you won't flop a set very often.

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03-08-2020 , 11:54 PM

mdelore

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$18-20 pre, $25 is too big you don't want them to fold their dumb hands they want to gamble with like Ax, 76s, etc. The range $25 calls is going to be flipping with you.

He is prob 3betting AK/AQ (32 combos) and TT-AA (24 combos) and cbetting with everything, so by the turn he's prob jamming all of it and u have to call if that's the case. He could be even wider than that in which case it's a snap.

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03-08-2020 , 11:59 PM

sixsevenoff

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Originally Posted by SABR42

What are his 3-bet tendencies?

Flop is a really easy jam here. If you can't jam flop here, calling pre is a mistake because you won't flop a set very often.

Why would we jam the flop?

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03-09-2020 , 01:44 AM

thenewoldpro

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Do you really call a raise to 75 dollars pre here with a medium sized pocket pair? Unless it’s a maniac raising here then you have to fold.

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03-09-2020 , 02:57 AM

jdr0317

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It really depends on our opponent.

If he is using the 4 as a bluff card too often with his Ace-Broadway hands: call (assuming he is 3 betting anywhere near correct)

If he isn’t: fold.

Tilty European dude in a card room should probably be folding here, given how people are prone to adjust to them.

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03-09-2020 , 03:00 AM

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jdr0317

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Originally Posted by thenewoldpro

Do you really call a raise to 75 dollars pre here with a medium sized pocket pair? Unless it’s a maniac raising here then you have to fold.

We raised button and dude 3 bet sb. Unless we aren’t raising the limpers much, 99 is a top 4% hand and should be defended. So even if we fold 60% of a top 10% range, 99 is going to be called.

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03-09-2020 , 12:31 PM

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gobbledygeek

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I just overlimp, but that's me. I fold to the 3bet as we're not getting good setmining IO and our position just ain't gonna help all that much when we whiff and face the inevitable cbet (with most boards containing overcards).

I don't get to the flop but probably mostly lean to a fold. If we're not folding then I would jam as we'll likely be committed with a call and can't let overs get there if we are.

Could argue we're committed by the river for this amount, but not enough villains take this line with AK, imo. ETA: Just realized the turn completes AK bottom straight so trivial fold.

GHeroneedstolearntofold,imoG

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03-09-2020 , 12:57 PM

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Javanewt

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Never mind. Misread players.

Hero should fold pre to the 3bet. Then fold the flop. Now that we are here, go ahead and call. Not much has changed. No reason to call pre, call flop, and fold turn.

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03-09-2020 , 01:47 PM

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gobbledygeek

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.

(Think I'm misreading board too. I thought there was a Ax bicycle on a later street.

GcluelessHHreadingnoobG

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03-09-2020 , 03:03 PM

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Javanewt

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I thought Hero was TAG and V was the tilty player, but I fixed it in time

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03-09-2020 , 05:00 PM

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FiveDollaYo

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The Villain had 3 bet twice in about 2.5 hours. Showing down both times, KK and AK.

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03-10-2020 , 10:01 AM

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Javanewt

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This is an instant fold pre-flop to the 3bet, although I already stated that -- it's even more so with the above info.

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03-10-2020 , 01:03 PM

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jdr0317

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What are we defending preflop if 99 isn’t in it?

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03-10-2020 , 02:49 PM

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Javanewt

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

What are we defending preflop if 99 isn’t in it?

AA/KK and maybe QQ or AKs vs. this guy. Seriously. Some people only 3bet AA/KK/AK.

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03-10-2020 , 03:02 PM

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ashtona

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H can get away on the turn here IMO. Getting less than 3 to 1 and facing a double barrel from an unknown, we can probably let go of 99 and stack off with 88/JJ and maybe TT

Disagree w folding at any point before then

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03-10-2020 , 03:36 PM

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jdr0317

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Originally Posted by Javanewt

AA/KK and maybe QQ or AKs vs. this guy. Seriously. Some people only 3bet AA/KK/AK.

Young LAGTAG against a tilty Euro? Wat.

Literally none of the young guys who can be described as LAGTAG are 3 betting this type of opponent this tightly. Maybe the under rolled TAGfish and general degen fish are, but SB sounds described as someone at least trying to win. That’s a 1.66% 3 bet that you said is a “maybe”.

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03-10-2020 , 03:46 PM

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Javanewt

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The V has 3bet twice: once w/ KK and once with AK.

If you don't fold pre, just fold the flop. V is never betting into a tilty player who calls lightly with worse than 99, and he surely isn't shoving the turn w/ worse.

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