1-2nl with a voluntary 5$ UTG straddle. Underground gambly fun fest.

V1 is a tourney internet player, classic exploitable tag, calls/limps as much as he raises pre but he has the huge table mark who plays ATC for any amount pre a couple of seat to his right and the "floor guy" right next to table mark isolates the mark with a very wide range pre so he has very few raising opportunity.

Previous hand with him in a straddled pot, he called a straddle with A8o pre, I called in the SB with A6s, flop was 5ways, value towned myself (bet bet check), (V : call/call/chk behind) on Ad 9d Joff 4off 2off runout. His straddle calling range seems to be what I expect it to be: any A, some small PP, very few SC(if any). Does call the straddle but fold to raises sometimes. Havent seen him bluffing at all.

The hand, V1 has around 300, hero covers. UTG straddles, mark calls, floor calls, V1 calls in the co. Hero raises to 15 with 9d8d on the BU. Blind folds, UTG folds, mark folds(well wtf), floor calls & V1 calls.

Pot 55
Flop Kc Qs Jc, floor checks, V1 donks 15.
Now this is the first time he has donked the 2hours he's been here and considering his action I am putting 90% of his range on some random A9-A2, he never has TP,might have something like QTs-Q9s/QJo, JTo.

Hero raises to 40. Expecting him to peel once and I'm going to be barreling pretty much any turn expecting tons of fold OTT from this guy. Floor folds, V calls.

Pot 130
Turn Kc Qs Jc, 10d
Well **** my ****ing life, we make a straight but this is the worse card in the deck for us. And V donks 30. Hero?

Can't really fold to the $30 donk but your trying to see the river cheaply now. It's too likely villain improved to two pair or the low straight also to give up yet. Flat call and evalute river. Check behind if he checks, and mostly fold if he bets again but you can bluff catch some of the time.

Calling to chop is -EV here.

Do we really want to bet more money that he has no A?

We tried to push him out. He called.

Fold.

What? That's neither T nor AG.

Why does V never have top pair when he donks otf? Why does he never have AT? 90% probability of Ax just sounds like wish-ranging to me. If it's the first time he's donked in 2 hours, it's hard to have such definitive reads on when/why he's leading there. We have almost no showdown value against his range, so this flop raise & barreling line is a pure bluff against a Villain who's taking a line we haven't seen from him yet.

You are getting 5-1, I call and reevaluate. Two pair seems likely. I'm probably paying up to fifty or so on the river. Trying to get to show down cheap, but you are ahead of a lot of his range

Interesting, I agree with a call OTT but a call OTR really? We have seen that he doesn't v.bet thinly agaisnt us before, you think he bets QJ,QT,JT OTR?

He could have some weak Kxs I guess, maybe even up to KTo but I doubt it. I know my line is a pure bluff, thats the point. I could have 72o on the flop it doesn't matter. I expect him to raise ATo+ pre.

He wasnt loose and would play aggressively when he has a piece (it seemed like, but the only showdown with him I saw was the hand I posted). Weak donk bet from someone whos supposed to have an understanding of value and pot size after basicaly limp calling pre (capping is range) I don't see a single monster he can have beside 9Ts and some 2p, I think my line is good OTF and I have a very profitable turn barrel imo.
I agree this is probably optimal now...


I ended up folding. In hindsight this is def atleast a call OTT.

It's really read dependent.. It's too exploitable IMO to be folding the second nuts here. I call a small bet again on the river otherwise it's bad to call the turn, even expecting to lose most of the time (I think villian had two pair and was blocking tough)

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Your ranging of villain seems way off. This is a terrible flop for you. Just fold. Also don't like your flop lead on the previous hand. That hand should be check call or check fold, IMO.

Grunch:

Raising is completely moronic as he never folds better, and never calls with worse.
We miiiiight get him off a chop, but I dunno.
I'd prolly call, and call all bets <1/3 pot on the river, and fold otherwise.
Our turn call should look pretty scary on this board, so he shouldn't bet worse than a straight otr, even if he has busted flush draws, so many of those turned into a striaght ott.

Having said all of this, I hate the flop raise.
We'd pretty much never use this sizing with any value hand except for the nuts with a blocker to good flush draws prolly.
If we want to raise (and I wouldn't, I just pitch it) I'd raise much more, to hope tofold out flush draws and straight draws ott with a bigger sizing. His sizing does seem like it's weak, but at the same time, we made a weak raise and we can't expect him to fold anything given the price that we are giving him.

I dislike almost your entire line. Sure, raise with your suited connector. But that flop smacks everyone else's range and misses yours entirely. And it's such a wet board that you aren't even defining their hand with the raise. Did they bet-call with a9cc? q10cc? a10o? And if this guy has played tight-passive all-night, why are you picking this spot to bluff him?

On the turn, you have "the second nuts." But the absolute strength of your hand is masking its poor relative strength. The relative strength of your hand is absolute ****.

Why do you believe he would bet out with two pair or a set on a KQJ10 board? To do that, he'd have to decide this is a good moment to turn a strong hand into a bluff. You've shown strength on the previous two streets, and he doesn't bluff often. What leads you to believe he's chosen this moment to stage a multi-street oop bluff into strength? Unless pick up on a major physical tell, the answer is "he isn't."

His play is consistent with Axcc. He flopped the nut combo draw. Turn brought the straight, with a redraw to the nut flush. He bets the turn in order to charge 2 pair/a set, and in the hopes that you'll raise him when he's freerolling.

You make money off of exploitable tags by forcing them to fold when they miss/when a scare card hits. You also make money off of exploitable tags when they turn their good hands faceup and you decide not to pay them off. He has turned his good hand faceup. Fold.

Don't like the raise preflop, don't like raising the lead. He doesn't lead with top pair but will lead with ace high? Uhhh, okay. Looks like button pushing to me.

I don't like the raise sizing preflop. If Villain was the only limper I'd make it $20 since this is 1/2/5. This is a pretty standard raise at 2/5 (on the smallish size) but should look pretty strong to a 1/2 player (which is good for our cbets). However, I just realized that 3 players limped in addition to the straddle. With a value hand I'd probably make it $30+ but with a sooted hand like this let's just make it $25 which is a fairly standard 2/5 raise. Just understand that if you just limp this is still pretty much just a 1/2 pot but as soon as you make it $25 every consecutive street will play bigger and consequently this is a 2/5 pot and we are only 60bbs deep.

If we make a $25 raise and everyone folds we get $23 minus rake in dead money which is good. If we get one caller that's obviously good because we can cbet most boards and win. If we get multiple callers that's ok too because we have a hand that plays very well multiways and will be completely concealed (plus a lot of the time everyone will check to us on the flop giving us control over the flop betting or non-betting).

Pre, I don't like given table dynamics, but if you are going to do it, raise bigger.
Flop. Pure spew.
Turn. You probably lucked out. Calling seems right, but folding probably aint wrong. If he has 2-pair, given pot size we'd have to really bomb it to get a fold so probably spew if you try.

Grunch.

This hand looks pretty bad IMO. The pre-flop raise is pretty bad unless you were actually expecting some FE, but I doubt it. I would just call and see a flop for $5. All you did was bloat the pot pre-flop with a hand that usually requires some implied odds. You kinda destroyed those odds by raising to an amount that everyone is going to call.

Okay... So you go to the flop like 5 ways and get the wettest most connected board you can get and you now decide to bluff raise with virtually no equity? Seriously think about that. For this play to be +EV you need to have an enormous success rate on this bluff. Are you going to fire three barrels? If not, you are going to lose the pot frequently to players who will call with a pair/draw. And well, you will probably just get called down by two pair way to often to 3 barrel profitably.

Also lol @ you hitting your straight and then cursing your luck. The turn is a miracle for you. As least you don't to rely on 100% bluffs to win this pot now. At this point I would probably just flat and see what he does OTR, although you have gotten yourself into a mess here. I would intend in calling again OTR if he bet's something similar, fold to a bigger bet. His sizing looks like he would be blocking with two pair.

I also think that your ranging/read is probably off. I mean, unless he's an exceptionally bad internet tourney player (which he might be) I doubt he is playing most Ax and folding most SCs... I also can't imagine why he would all of a sudden decide to lead with A9-A2 in this situation. I would tend to think that it would be a pair/draw, flush draw, or weakish Kx.

But yeah, overall, this is definitely a thumbs down in my book. Bluffing with no equity in a 5 way pot on the wettest possible board = bad.

Seriously kekeeke, I don't mean to be abrasive but this is like the definition of a bad spot to bluff. You are up against four other hands likely held by players who's biggest leaks include calling too much. If when you read this, you vow to never bluff with no equity again, your win rate will go up.

Playing less than 100bb and attempting the play with 98s is -EV.

Raising the flop with no equity backup again is -EV.

This is no more than taking ATC and running a bluff on a very wet board vs a player who shows he hit the board in some way. All bad decisions IMO. Im afraid I just dont like any part of this hand.

I never actually realized the straddles makes it a 2/5 thus making my bet pre is pretty terrible.

I read every reply and I can see it was terrible now, starting from preflop. For some reason I thought 15$ would thin the field which is ******ed because even a 15$ UTG open with no straddles gets 3-4 caller in this room.

After this it was just win everypot ******edness setting in. Thanks for the replies. As played I really wish I called the turn thought.

Thats pretty much my thought process lol. Given his capped range and weak flop donk I tought he would fold most of his range OTT making this profitable with ATC. I knew he connected but not hard and I knew he folds too much, I could only see me and him in the hand and not the other players tho.

u got no equity here. why raise flop? please check this down.

You and I are the same. Neither one of us have has seen him donk before. But only one of us is 90% sure of this range. Do you agree that that is at least a little bit odd and maybe even wishful thinking?

If you're bluffing in this spot you must think it's correct to bluff 100% of the time. You even have blockers to potential bluffs that he could have.

If you're thinking that Ax is the perfect bluff hand then we can agree on that. Even through I don't agree with your analysis I could see turning that hand into a bluff. You'd have a blocker to the nuts and, of course, you'd have a draw to the nuts.

As played, even if he's bluffing, he's doing it with the best hand.

Easy fold on the flop. As played it seems like his bet on the flop was meant to induce. It worked once for him, so he's doing it again. I definitely like the way he's playing his hand. If it worked once, keep doing it.

What would you assign his range?
His only monster is ATo, if he has it more power to him.

Even QJo would puke if a bricked turn came and I bombed it. He'd fold all non fd Axs, all pair+draws, he'd continu with QJo (maybe) and ATo. Axs with a fd if hes feeling gambly (a gambly tag? Doubt this)

Not to mention most tag learn to fastplay their monsters before scare cards come, so when he flat calls my flop raise he never has ATo.

Thank you for saying this. I was starting to think I was losing my marbles.

First off why can't he be donking to induce with KQ,JQ,T9,AT, or JJ (people can flat JJ)? I hate everything about this hand but probably call turn and fold river to a barrel