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12-20-2020 , 03:20 AM

OmahaDonk

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Villain unknown, MAWG, 800 eff. 3-5 spread limit with a 600 max.

5 handed. Folds to Hero on btn with 8s8d. Hero raise to 20, Sb folds, V in bb calls

Flop (43) : Td9s3s
Check check

Turn (43) : 5d
Check, hero..

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12-20-2020 , 06:30 AM

esspoker

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,630

Bet 20

protect your equity, get calls from draws

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12-20-2020 , 11:24 AM

sixsevenoff

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Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 5,411

I range c bet almost every board HU, and I would on this one. As played, I would just check back and look to get to showdown for free on every non T/9/8 river.

EDIT: To clarify, my range c betting rule applies for when we're IP

Last edited by sixsevenoff; 12-20-2020 at 11:48 AM.

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12-20-2020 , 11:41 AM

esspoker

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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff

I range c bet almost every board HU, and I would on this one. As played, I would just check back and look to get to showdown for free on every non T/9/8 river.

So you c-bet even when villain has a range advantage? Seems that could backfire against thinking opponents. Against avg players it's probably not all bad though.

In this spot I would usually fire a cbet about 1/3 pot as well. But I don't really mind checking back. It protects his check raange and can catch bluffs later.

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12-20-2020 , 11:47 AM

sixsevenoff

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Originally Posted by esspoker

I forgot to clarify that this is my rule IP.

Villains won't be able to profitably defend versus 1/3 sizing otf...they have to defend 75% of an already way too wide range.

There aren't too many thinking players at 2/5, so it's not a huge deal. I do it less versus the better opponent, though. Because the vast majority of 2/5 players are those who defend way too wide, there are virtually no boards which they have a range advantage on.

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12-20-2020 , 11:48 AM

QuadJ

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Bet $20 or check, either is fine. You can't really expect better to fold but you can get called by a lot of worse hands.

You have a 1 street of value hand with 3rd pair. You have 3 streets to get that value, it doesn't matter a whole lot when you get it. Flop is your best chance to get called by worse but also runs the biggest risk of running into a better hand, villain raising with a draw or bluffing later in the hand. Both your chances to get called by worse and your risk of too much action go down with each street.

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12-21-2020 , 02:12 AM

monikrazy

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I prefer flop cbet, and as played delayed cbet on turn.

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12-21-2020 , 01:08 PM

sixsevenoff

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My whole thing with wanting to get to showdown for free after checking the flop is that I think we can get value from A high and other overs with a flop downbet, and then it gets more difficult as the streets go on. QuadJ says this is a one street of value hand - do you think we're getting called by A high on turn/river after checking flop/flop + turn?

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