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01-18-2012 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by PuraVida96
I get why you want to 3bet but imo there is more value is calling, looking to play a multiway pot against V2 and/or V3, especially on the button. If your 3bets have a ton of FE, then do it with worse hands than 87s.
this is a good point. So you think its never right to 3bet here? I generally call here. However i think It's better to sometimes call and somtimes 3bet in this situation. Maybe I'm wrong.
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01-18-2012 , 11:42 PM
I've been trying to do the math on the turn where you say it's 145 to call in a pot of 472 but the numbers from the previous bets aren't adding up. Did he lead the turn into you?
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01-19-2012 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Peepers288
I've been trying to do the math on the turn where you say it's 145 to call in a pot of 472 but the numbers from the previous bets aren't adding up. Did he lead the turn into you?
I can double check I may have miscalculated
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01-19-2012 , 09:24 AM
If his preflop calling range is something like 88+ and various broadway hands and some other suited connectors and he plays straightforward in 3-bet pots, then when you bet the flop he will mostly fold those missed big cards and mostly call with his showdown value hands and raise his big hands (sets, slowplayed big pairs), then I like a check-back on the flop. If I had just a naked straight draw I would bet, if I had just a pair of sevens I would bet for protection against his 24% overcard equity, but here the only good reason for betting is to begin turning our hand into a bluff and trying to fold out 99-JJ.

I would rather put this hand into my check-back range and try to take it to showdown unimproved and go for the barrels with a more polarized range. I guess it also depends on history and metagame between you two.

Oh and btw, you should always plan ahead before you do anything. On the turn you should have looked at this stack size and recognized that you need to bet bigger since if he calls here it leaves you with only a very small 3rd barrel which he will have to sigh-call and if he raises you hate it.
Galfond said in one of his low-stakes videos that theres one really nice exploiting move you can make with bet sizes: if you want people to fold, bet flop and turn so as to leave a pot size bet behind for the river, but the same principle can apply here, here you would go bigger on the flop so as to leave close to pot size shove on the turn.

What I'm trying to say is that you have to plan your hand. On the flop you need to decide what you want to do, option 1) check back look to showdown unimproved option 2) look to turn your hand into a bluff getting him off a middling pair (which is a big part of his flop calling range). Just betting the flop blindy doesnt make much sense. If you go for option 2, the next step is to look at how to size bets so as to best accomplish this goal.

Last edited by maxz; 01-19-2012 at 09:39 AM.
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