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11-10-2013 , 02:02 PM
I have a LAG image. In last two hours at table. I called a weak all in push that was a coin flip when I had JTs earlier. 3-bet more or less all in with TT a good squeeze spot on button but ran into a KK that had called the raiser. Rebought for 300$ and stack is now 1000$.

Villain is possibly best player at table . Very aggressive and likes putting people to tough decisions. Stack is $1500.

Villain makes it $20 in MP. High jack and button call. I call $15 with 57 on BB.

Flop:
763
I check. Villain bets 80$. HJ and Button fold. I call.

Turn:
K
I bet $100.
Villain raises to $200

What do I do?
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11-10-2013 , 02:39 PM
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Villain is possibly best player at table . Very aggressive and likes putting people to tough decisions.
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I call $15 with 57 on BB.
Does not compute. I know you're 200BBs deep, but this looks like a fold>3!>call spot to me.

Flop you c/c a PSB with a pair and a gutty? Again, fold>raise>call, imo.

Turn min raise is rather "please call me," and if you hit your 4 there will be four to the straight on the board, so implieds very low. Hitting your 5 or 7 prob doesn't win you the hand and could cost you a lot. Your image is LAGgy and maybe losing, so your FE is low. Just fold.
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11-10-2013 , 02:59 PM
Fold.

God knows why you donked the turn.

Let alone call essentially a gut shot draw OTF.
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11-10-2013 , 03:01 PM
Firstly: I'd say that calling or raising 57 suited in late position (for deception) is fine, but not calling from the blinds then playing the pot multi way out of position vs possibly the best player at the table. There are way too many flops where you won't love your hand given your positional disadvantage here.

Secondly: I would never make a turn lead on the K. It almost screams that you are probing to see where you're at. Something you wouldn't care to wonder if your hand was so strong. I would definitely check with the plan to check raise, or fold depending on the action. A check/raise does reek of strength whereas I feel the weak lead is just that.

What happened next?
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11-10-2013 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Does not compute. I know you're 200BBs deep, but this looks like a fold>3!>call spot to me.

Flop you c/c a PSB with a pair and a gutty? Again, fold>raise>call, imo.

Turn min raise is rather "please call me," and if you hit your 4 there will be four to the straight on the board, so implieds very low. Hitting your 5 or 7 prob doesn't win you the hand and could cost you a lot. Your image is LAGgy and maybe losing, so your FE is low. Just fold.
This guy is exactly right. In this spot, I probably end up folding on the flop. Not sure why you donked into him on the turn either. If you want to bluff the king, a think a check raise is a more realistic line, but just don't play OOP against the best player...

I understand your pre-flop call. You are deep enough to that your implied odds are good, but against the best player at the table, they can't be that good.
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11-10-2013 , 03:13 PM
Wait, is this $100 max bet/raise? If so, the call pre and OTF is even worse, because your implieds are so capped, and turn is a turbo-fold.
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11-10-2013 , 03:35 PM
i understand most above.

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Originally Posted by Dre907
What happened next?
I thought the donk bet looked obviously weak enough so I decided to snap call him.

Turn:
A

I think for about 10 seconds then check.
He thinks for 20 seconds then checks.

I table my hand and he starts cracking up shaking his head.

Shows 56

I keep posting these weird wins for me, but its the only hands worth really talking about because I am absolutely crushing this game and my losses are fairly straight forward shove kind of hands. I've logged 25 sessions since installing PokerJournal on the iphone almost 3 months ago and Im at a $63.97/hr

A hand that happened about 20 mins prior. Villain is old man asian reg. maybe break even. has a ton of history with me. has called me down light and won in past.

Preflop:
UTG limps. Villain is in MP and makes 25. Gets a call from cut off. I call on BB with A9 UTG calls.

Flop:
A93
I check, UTG check, Villain bets 80$, CO folds, I call, UTG Folds.

Turn:
5
I check. Villain bets 100$, I raise to 200$. He calls.

(Im 99% sure he has AK right now)

River:
9
I bet 100$. Villain goes into tank mode and shows the whole table his hand is KJ.... lol.... he tanks for a good 4 minutes and then grabs his chips and slams them into the middle.

for the win :P
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11-10-2013 , 03:41 PM
No offense, dude, but you are playing pretty badly in these hands. How do you check/call top two with a FD out and against a V who likely has an ace and isn't going to fold it?

As for the hand in this thread, it is pure spew, and not even aggressive spew.
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11-10-2013 , 03:42 PM
i play very differently. i understand that. i think i make a lot of mistakes. i post here to find out when. thanks for the input.
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11-10-2013 , 03:50 PM
How do you think things would've gone if the river was an 8, a 4, or a 5 instead of an A? That would've been interesting
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11-10-2013 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
How do you check/call top two with a FD out and against a V who likely has an ace and isn't going to fold it?
Umm, on the flop he has an ace less then half the time. All the other hands like the one he has plus all the pairs are in there... and that range he will be c-betting the flop like 90% of the time. If I raise here with the nuts he is done with all the other hands but diamonds (rarest hand) and strong ace... he thinks my check call on the flop looks more like a draw then ace... and he knows if i have the ace diamond draw i am raising 100% of the time so he thinks he can bluff me off turn, possibly with the best hand. idk. i definitely played it weird. but he called 100$ on the river with K high. I think i maybe make less money this hand (of course he could have hit his diamonds...) had i raised flop.
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11-10-2013 , 04:16 PM
also if he does have a strong ace he is c-betting 100% of time when i check to him on turn and calling 100% of raise on turn. Basically with a strong ace the exact same amount of money goes into the pot. by calling flop i give an opportunity for bluff hands to bet one more round. he actually had the best hand for me in the second nut flush draw so it played the same as a strong ace... accept for the river call which only happened because i had some deception on the flop.
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11-10-2013 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Dre907
How do you think things would've gone if the river was an 8, a 4, or a 5 instead of an A? That would've been interesting
If 5 comes. I bet 100$. he me calls me or raises me and then i call.
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11-10-2013 , 04:20 PM
V raised pre and bet pot on an ace-high flop with a FD out. He does not have an ace only half the time.

Plus, you gave UTG a great price to call with a FD by flatting, and against V's actual holding (if we want to be results oriented), he's not folding that for another hundo either, so you lose major value there. Super-results oriented, it's a wash because you couldn't c/r the turn if you did the flop, but now we're just getting ridiculous.

Bottom line: You think you are playing "differently" and "trappy," but you are actually playing "passively" and "fishy." Congrats that your Vs are playing even worse, I guess, but you are definitely not maximizing your return.
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11-10-2013 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
FD out. He does not have an ace only half the time.
Im not giving you more then 60%. I play with these people every day. I think all the pocket pairs bet that 80% of the time from him.

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and against V's actual holding (if we want to be results oriented), he's not folding that for another hundo either, so you lose major value there.
he folds all the pocket pairs there and all the other hands but the flush draw for 100$

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Originally Posted by Garick
Super-results oriented, it's a wash because you couldn't c/r the turn if you did the flop, but now we're just getting ridiculous.
accept for the hands that aren't strong ace. the bluffs are out on the turn and putting no more money in.

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Plus, you gave UTG a great price to call with a FD by flatting
you only think about draws. if UTG is playing a weak ace he is folding 100% of the time to $180 flop bet. UTG is even folding maybe 50% of the time with a strong ace.

with a call on the flop I am getting a call from a weak ace maybe 50% of the time and a strong ace 100% or getting repopped with a strong ace 10% of the time.

If UTG has diamonds (less likely then an ace)... then I am giving him a great price.

EDIT: I think UTG repops way more with strong ace then 10% of the time.

Last edited by SlipperyAces; 11-10-2013 at 04:50 PM.
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11-10-2013 , 05:06 PM
One more, from last night.

This is before both of the last two but after I have rebought for 300$.

villain is reg middle aged asian lady who is questionable break even, on tables where she can bully she makes money and on tables where people play back she typically spews chips or calls down people too light. she is notorious in the poker room for way over betting all of the her raising hands pre-flop.

I limp UTG with AQ
Villain in mid position makes it 75
I call.


Flop is AK4
I check. Villain bets 100$, I raise 200$ Villain calls.

Turn:
Q
I bet 100$ she calls

River
3
I bet 100$ and she calls.

I table and she mucks.

I guess someone will show up saying calling out of position with AQo was fishy :P

4 hour 10 min session. rebought for 300$. cashed out for $1540
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11-10-2013 , 05:19 PM
on the above hand. she thinks i repop preflop with AK/AQ 90% of time against her. If I hold a weak ace there on the flop she doesn't think I check raise. She thinks if I am holding an AT or AJ we might chop or she might have me outkicked. my line also looks FOS enough to where I could be getting called down with KQ which is her hand here like 20% of the time.
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