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01-16-2015 , 01:29 PM
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I have a very LAGy image at the moment. In an earlier hand, I raised 92s pre (to isolate), and double-barred shoved into a villain on an A24A board, with a turned flush draw. Got called and showed.

BB is that villain who I shoved my 92s into. Young asian, recreational player, who I think is out to get me.

UTG is old european guy, fairly tight, but calls me more than any other player at the table.

LP is an old asian lady. She's tight and very aggressive. I haven't really seen a mistake from her and she's run up her stack to well over $2k. (I'm showing $500 for everyone only because that's the effective for all of us).


Flop is big decision for me. I can see bet/fold, check/call, and check/raise.

Let me know what you think.
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01-16-2015 , 01:35 PM
Sorry, man, but not going to another site to read the HH. You'll get a lot more/better responses if you include it in your OP.
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01-16-2015 , 01:46 PM
^^^ this.

Copy/paste.

Easy game.
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01-16-2015 , 03:00 PM
Yeah .. nice play back but probably not wise here.

Bet out on the Flop (you raised with AK, right?!!) ... plan to 2x barrel any non-overcard on Turn.

Didn't happen c/f Turn .. maybe lead River, maybe c/f River ... GL
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01-16-2015 , 03:05 PM
I would raise a bit bigger preflop ($55-60). You're out of position and there are a lot of limpers. I would rather avoid inviting a callfest.

This seems like a standard flop for firing a single barrel and then retreating. I'd take that line unless I had very specific reads/hand history pushing me in a different direction. The flop is dry except for the king. AK is well within your range. There's already a lot of money out there. Fire $100-125, or whatever they all expect you would bet with AK. I expect you'll often take it down uncontested. If anyone calls, they're basically signaling they have a king. You can then decide to fire a second barrel if you think they'll lay down tpwk, or shut it down if you think they aren't.

This is a situation where you're betting even though you never expect to be called by less. This gives K10s through KQ a chance to fold (given your image, they'll probably stick around. But I presume you aren't raising from the sb very often...). More importantly, it helps you avoid the ****ty decisions you'll be faced with if you check. There are already 36 bbs in the pot. Bet to protect your equity.
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01-16-2015 , 03:07 PM
I will consider generating some sort of readable description of the hand. I don't have that capability with the app yet, but it is very easy for me to post hands using it and that's why it's in that format now. (I don't mean to take anyone away from the 2+2 community, I think this place is great! At best, was hoping my app would complement what's here with a voting mechanism for those who prefer not to type a written response) (So thank you to all the anonymous voters who have helped inform me about my play).
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01-16-2015 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by answer20
Yeah .. nice play back but probably not wise here.

Bet out on the Flop (you raised with AK, right?!!) ... plan to 2x barrel any non-overcard on Turn.

Didn't happen c/f Turn .. maybe lead River, maybe c/f River ... GL
Yes, AK would be in my range, but it feels like I'm betting as a bluff here. I felt I was still ahead but thought a delayed cbet would be better (safer to see what others did first, and possibly get called lighter on the turn)

You also mention, 2x barrel any non-overcard on turn. But why? If I'm betting K here, then aren't I saying that AK is my most likely hand? And why would an Ace scare me? Also, there shouldn't be that many Ax that continue to the turn if I cbet, no?
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01-16-2015 , 03:12 PM
Here's the spoiler in case anyone is interested

Spoiler:

Turns out, if I had c/r flop or bet river, there's a high chance I would have won the hand.

I folded river, and UTG tank-called.
LP showed T8 and UTG mucked.
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01-16-2015 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by losingisfun
Yes, AK would be in my range, but it feels like I'm betting as a bluff here. I felt I was still ahead but thought a delayed cbet would be better (safer to see what others did first, and possibly get called lighter on the turn)

You also mention, 2x barrel any non-overcard on turn. But why? If I'm betting K here, then aren't I saying that AK is my most likely hand? And why would an Ace scare me? Also, there shouldn't be that many Ax that continue to the turn if I cbet, no?
You are betting as a bluff here. You're also often bluffing with best hand. But that's okay. You built a medium-sized pot (36 bbs) with your preflop raise. You have a medium-strength hand. Go ahead and take it down now.

The only reason you might not bet this flop is if you have opponents who you think are likely to float you and try to steal on the turn.

The reason to fire a second barrel on the turn is to counter opponents who figure you'll cbet most pocket pairs, then check-fold anything worse than AK/KQ. We can be pretty confident none of them have AK, since they didn't raise preflop. So the second barrel should fold everything except 2 pair or a set. I wouldn't necessarily fire it every time (that's an exploitable leak) but it's definitely worth considering.

The problem with the delayed cbet against three players oop is that it is rarely going to work. You need none of them to stab at the flop, and you need the turn not to create any promising draws. If one of them does, then you're stuck in a check-calling oop guessing game.
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