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5/5 QQ vs a Nit 5/5 QQ vs a Nit

07-09-2016 , 11:02 PM
UTG nit - no showdowns, hasnt raised at all in 1.5 hours but has called a a couple times, MAHG 700

Hero MP - Covers-TAG winning player who opens up the playbook in LP vs weaker players, known winner to most at table although UTG does not know me

MP+ lag 300-- Has already lost a bit and is known to call light pre and rip it in pre to flip w/ pp's is generally pretty bad-

UTG nit raises to 30 from ep (first raise), folds to hero in MP who decides to call, MP+ Lag calls, everyone else folds. Flop is 962ss, UTG bets 75, hero calls, MP Lag folds. Turn 8x, villain bets 100, hero calls. River 5s, villain bets 100, hero shoves.....

Should I be 3!/folding pre to UTG here every time? That was my first thought but I decided against it. Unsure why exactly, calling just seemed better to because I dont actually know how tight UTG is and I felt if the bad LAG raises and the nit just flats then I can safely raise/gii. Plus I figured the nits sizing would turn his hand faceup on later streets and let me fold confidently if I needed to. Biggest problem with this is that even though the table was generally TAGish we couldve easily went 3 players+ to the flop so me being in mp probably makes this a raise pre.

Roast me
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07-09-2016 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 7weeks2days
UTG nit - no showdowns, hasnt raised at all in 1.5 hours but has called a a couple times, MAHG 700

Hero MP - Covers-TAG winning player who opens up the playbook in LP vs weaker players, known winner to most at table although UTG does not know me

MP+ lag 300-- Has already lost a bit and is known to call light pre and rip it in pre to flip w/ pp's is generally pretty bad-

UTG nit raises to 30 from ep (first raise), folds to hero in MP who decides to call, MP+ Lag calls, everyone else folds. Flop is 962ss, UTG bets 75, hero calls, MP Lag folds. Turn 8x, villain bets 100, hero calls. River 5s, villain bets 100, hero shoves.....

Should I be 3!/folding pre to UTG here every time? That was my first thought but I decided against it. Unsure why exactly, calling just seemed better to because I dont actually know how tight UTG is and I felt if the bad LAG raises and the nit just flats then I can safely raise/gii. Plus I figured the nits sizing would turn his hand faceup on later streets and let me fold confidently if I needed to. Biggest problem with this is that even though the table was generally TAGish we couldve easily went 3 players+ to the flop so me being in mp probably makes this a raise pre.

Roast me


~overun~
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07-09-2016 , 11:21 PM
Do you have Qs? Regardless, I don't know why you are shoving turn, seems to me you fold out everything that's behind and get called when you are beat.

Also 3!/f with QQ is a waste of a great hand.
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07-09-2016 , 11:56 PM
Well played .. But i don't think there is a big EV gap between calling, Folding and shoving OTR.

Villain is playing this like a hand that beats QQ, but the odds Are great. Shoving river is cool, Folding OTT seems okish as well, but i don't Know if thats doable, with this small sample Size.

Tough Spot, i like your line!


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07-10-2016 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
Do you have Qs? Regardless, I don't know why you are shoving turn, seems to me you fold out everything that's behind and get called when you are beat.

Also 3!/f with QQ is a waste of a great hand.
I didn't shove ott, i shoved otr to make villain possibly fold AA/KK-- it wasnt a value shove I just felt villains range was capped to hands that cant call riv
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07-10-2016 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 7weeks2days
I didn't shove ott, i shoved otr to make villain possibly fold AA/KK-- it wasnt a value shove I just felt villains range was capped to hands that cant call riv
my bad
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07-10-2016 , 02:31 AM
At the same time though, when villain only bets 100 ott the chances of him having AA or KK seem much smaller since he doesnt appear to be wanting to play for stacks. I feel like most villains are betting much more than 100 ott w/ AA and KK. Could be JJ, TT, AsKs or last combo of QQ maybe? Maybe I should be raising ott?
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