5/5 e500
Mp whale limps
Co nit 20
Hero BTN Ad2d flats
Mp calls

3 ways
(70) flop JdJc3s
Whale open folds.
Co x
Hero bets 20.
Co calls.

Hu
(110) turn 4d
X hero bets 55. V calls.

(220) riv 9s
X hero jams 400?

Depends on what kind of a nit and the nit's image of you. You are repping a J and only a J. How light will he look you up? Why would you shove a J?

Meh seems fine especially if we have a hypernit image

How deep are you with the whale? Is the nit the 500 stack? You are deep with the whale maybe you can justify the call pre, but otherwise I think it is losing.

As played, depends how stationy the nit is. Some nits can never let go of like QQ+, TT. But if you have seen him make some big folds then it's probably good. Definitely better to not have the Ad here to unblock him from having AdKd, AdQd, AdTd type hands. But probably not a deal breaker. He either folds pocket pairs or doesn't.

Speaking as a nit, if I had a hunch that someone was bluffing, then they overbet shoved almost 2x the pot, I would snap with my TT.

I also don't like the river card very much. 99 could easily be in his range. And when I bluff I like to rep something that got there on the river such as an ace. (If I am emptying the clip with KQ for example, I will bluff an ace because people assume I was bluffing before and the ace made my hand.)

I have 44/33 also in range

If you are thinking of jamming river, I would generally size up more on turn so it will be more natural. I'm not a big fan, especially since hero might not take such an agressive line with various jx.

Don't really like the flop bet.

Smaller on river. A lot of times people get more curious vs overbets and will look you up lighter than vs a milky 3/4 type sizing.

am guessing you dont wanna have ad in theory. also its an odd point but the nitter opener is the less likely i think he is to c/c many unpaired otf and may make turn barrel have way less fe than normal (if he has only overpairs i dont think he really ever folds vs anything less than pot). would still bet but yeah. could be great i guess with some assumptions (pocket pair heavy, never hero, doesnt slowplay enough)

I disagree. People calling huge overbets are also calling give 3/4 pot. But a lot of people won't call of overbets, but will call of 3/4 pot.

Also, I think it is fairly nonsense. Overbet jams on the river are notoriously value heavy. They are supposed to have more bluffs than 3/4 pot, but they are seriously underbluffed. Although in theory the larger the bet size, the more bluffs there should be, in reality, people bluff more as size goes down and less as size goes up.

So, good job to whoever has picked out who the sickos are in the pool who's overbets you can profitably bluff catch. Don't get me wrong, overbet jamming as a bluff is a great move and I use it. But bluff catching overbet river jams is lightning money on fire vs the population, including vs the pros.

I doubt you have 44, although it's possible, but 33 is genuine. It really does depend on how sticky/non-believing V is and how believable/FOS you are.

Shove & get called by AK and reload.

Nope. I don't like it.

Rather than betting small on flop, half pit on turn, and jamming river, I'd have preferred betting 2/3 pot or more on turn, and just giving up on river.

This line looks bluffy as hell to me, and V doesn't seem to believe hero's story at all.

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I'd have to wonder why they're checking the flop, and a slightly bigger flop bet can help clarify whether it's a whiffed AK/AQ, a cautious pocket pair, or trips+ trying to trap you.
AP, I like a bigger bet on the turn since you picked up the combo draw and can build a little more credible bluff there

So flop I’m thinking I wanna stab a large volume of hands- so small size

On turn I wanna bet a bunch of 1 pair hands that plan to x back river and take the show down. And so I figure I’ll slot my big value and bluffs into that same size and keep the whole range together to prevent counter-play.

On the river I’m now checking back my thin SDV and my betting range becomes polarized to I go for the most polarizing size.

That’s my thought process at least.

Probably just fold pre.

Even if MP is a robot opening 2.25x A2s is a pure fold on the BTN.
Yes, the open was from CO, but MP limped and CO is "a nit"


On flop bet bigger, you aren't repping AA/KK that is charging everything with 2 outs ... you want to mostly be saying you have Jx/33 and everyone can find out at showdown. Betting small more implies you have 99 and want to charge overcards.

Then bet bigger on turn, one of the best cards for you to hit ... so no problem continuing but we should be leveraging the possability of a shove here IMO and not always going for it.


River seems bad, there were never any draws and this card doesn't really help/scare much. We are supposed to drop FD hands from our river bluffs, and I'd guess that works the same here where we really want CO to have AdKd/AdQd.
Would even just shrug if river was 2x, maybe even Tx but that's probably not working enough. Also can't CO have like QJs and just be like "lol, please keep betting air".


tl;dr Entire hand just feels street pokery, even though there's some method within the madness.

Sir - It looks like it's a 3b more than fold, but certainly not a call.



All A2s is 3b or fold from BTN vs CO open.


On to the hand - there isn't one hand i'm ever folding here that I called turn with - i'd never fold 88+ for 100bb but i've called some pretty wild things for 200bb as well at 2/5

If CO is good he should check his entire range on flop.

Turn is mix of leading and checking but if he has any pocket pair he shouldn't fold too often.

But there’s a limping whale in there guys. We wanna flat hands that have good implied odds post flop 3 ways ex: PP and AXs

idk if it makes sense to structure your turn strategy around preventing counter play vs a nit especially when you're deviating pre too

we only want to flat if Whale is really bad and we keep him in the hand but you aren't really deep enough to justify calling 4bb to try and cooler him.

You aren't gonna hit a hand very often - so you want to ideally win 10x your investment to justify calling the $20 in the first place. Than you also have reverse implied odds where you hit your A and burn more money.

Just doesn't look like the best +EV situation. I'd rather just save the $20 or 3b to try and take down the $25.

You are facing a nit raise. His range is very narrow. You have a whale in the hand so just call with position.

As played you don't need to smash $400 in the middle. Bet around $180 does the same job as $400. Either the nit has quads or he doesn't. He could also have AKdd or AQdd here. Otherwise he has a hand like TT which is folding to $180 as much as $400.

Agree with what was said before. A near 2x pot size is even more fishy than a normal 3/4 or full pot bet on the river. You're repping Jack or nothing, and you'll be surprised how often you'll get looked up by "nit", because their range that raised pf, c/c both streets are so narrow, and you blocked the diamond draws.

The whale open folded on the flop.

So...there goes that plan, right out the freakin' window.

The nit PFR checking a dry, disconnected, high-paired board when he's OOP isn't the green-light to start an elaborate three-street bluff. I'd think he should be checking this flop a lot.

We actually picked up some equity with the ISSD on the turn. If we wanted to rep Jx, we should have bombed it.

The no rake, no ante, 100bb charts I have it's never folded by robot BTN when robot CO opens (2.25x) ... A2-5 mostly 3bet but, again, never folds any Axs.


However as I said on the line you responded to (and the next), that's not the situation we are in and I doubt it's close enough.

Again, from the charts I have (for a 2.25x open):
robot BTN vs. robot CO open = never fold
robot BTN vs. robot HJ open = starts folding A2s specifically.
robot BTN vs. robot MP open = A2s is pure fold, but even A3s is never folded.
robot BTN vs. robot EP open = A2s is pure fold, A7s is 90%+ fold, A6s folded some but everything else is never folded.


First action was from MP, raise happened from CO from "a nit"

i mean pre seems fine. the ev difference even in gto sims is incredibly neglible and you're very likely going to over realize equity / ev here if both are bad. you could / possibly should 3b quite in a lab setting but a good part of the ev in live poker is forgoing small edges for large ones later, and keeping a whale in the hand with a hand that plays multiway seems fine to me to give up on a few hundredths of a bb of ev.

also u need to pay a ton of attention to rake and opening size for these pre sims as the fringe hands are extremely reflexive to small changes in those (as all options are very close)