Both V's are new to the table. No reads at all on UTG, older Hispanic male. Saw 1 showdown w/ UTG+2, MAAG. Don't recall specific hand, but noted that he's likely a calling station. Hero covers both V's.


UTG $315 limps, Hero raises $20 w/ AA, UTG+2 $250 calls, 1 more caller, folds to UTG who flats. Flop, 4 way.

$84

KJ5

check, H bets $50, call, fold, call

$234

A

V bets $150, Hero?

UTG has $95 left, UTG+2 has $180.

Simple shove? V's bet seems to rep a QT in which case we're behind & not getting the odds, but throw anything else into his range & we're good. Just seemed like most Ax combos were out of the picture & a set of 5's would normally make noise OTF. I don't see KJ getting aggressive all of a sudden on this turn. Case of MUBS, or reason for caution even this shallow? Decided to take a stab at a higher limit. Clouded my thinking.... Also the 2nd villain. If he does call, our rewards increase so that needs to be factored in... Am I overthinking an obvious play?

I just shove. We see QT on occasion but see other stuff we crush enough esp given eff stacks. Not to mention we have 10 outs to redraw against broadway.

Size larger pre. 25 or 30. In 5/5 my standard open is 5x then add 1 bb per limper so I would open to 30.

As played it's a shove and I wouldn't think about it that much.

Yeah, the pf sizing at this table was $15-20. I was taken back a bit as it felt so much like 2/3.

I'm shoving here..

More pre-flop. Don't respect the tables raise sizes. $20 is too small over a limper in EP.

$25-$30.

As played. All-in

Looks like you're UTG+1? As the others have said, I'm going bigger pre. I'd make it $30, maybe even $35. Bigger OTF too. With these stack sizes I'd bet something close to pot, $70-75. Everyone's so shallow that I doubt anyone's folding a king. Larger sizing throughout would have set up an easier turn shove for you.

AP, super easy shove. Effective stacks were only ~60BB to start the hand and you have the second nuts. I expect to be shown Q10 here a lot, but at worst you have a clean re-draw to a boat. Plus I think there's a good chance that the second V comes along too with stacks this short, giving you better pot odds. Folding top set is never an option with 60BB effective stacks IMO.

I dont see people leading out on the turn with the nuts that often. I think hes more likely to have something like AJ, A5, KJ, or even KsTs. Throw those hands in and you are in really good shape. I might want to just call to keep the 3rd guy in but would mostly just shove with 3 broadway cards already on the board.

call .. a shove looks stronger to the fishy players behind.

Plz move this to BBV.