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Maryland live. Hero @ 1200 villain covers. 2nd orbit in, villain is to my direct left and seems like a competent poker player from mannerisms and the way he takes his time and handles chips.

Hero opens hijack 35 with JJ.
Villain in CO calls.
BB calls who has been call happy.

Flop: 9d 7d 5c

Hero bets 75. Villain calls. BB folds.

Turn 2s.

Hero bets $175. Villain raises to $400.

Action on hero.

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01-25-2015 , 07:57 AM

TimeBomb

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I'm all in too many draws to protect against. You would expect 2p+ to raise on flop while still 3 handed not on a turned 2.

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01-25-2015 , 12:40 PM

cook-

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Originally Posted by TimeBomb

I'm all in too many draws to protect against. You would expect 2p+ to raise on flop while still 3 handed not on a turned 2.

+1 - though I have seen the delayed raise with a 2p+ quite often at ML. I think it's a soulread spot more than anything. FWIW, I'm ripping it in as well.

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01-25-2015 , 06:53 PM

armor32

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Originally Posted by TimeBomb

I'm all in too many draws to protect against. You would expect 2p+ to raise on flop while still 3 handed not on a turned 2.

Let's say villain raised 3x instead of notch over 2x. Are you still all in ?
And another question (facing same sizing as played), but we started 200bb effective and not 120. Are you still shoving ?

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01-25-2015 , 09:40 PM

rizasutton

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^^def not if were 200bs....

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01-26-2015 , 02:00 PM

beauvanlaanen

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Fold. If V had a big draw he would play it fast on the flop IMO. I think V has a set here almost always.

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01-26-2015 , 07:37 PM

DjSkyy

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first time i see something like this from him i think i fold and feel pretty good about it

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01-26-2015 , 08:11 PM

4326715

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Another vote for fold here. Very settish for villain.

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01-26-2015 , 10:55 PM

CeJeH

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Is the BB fishy? I can see villain flatting 2pr/set/strait on flop trying to keep the bb in the pot.

If the turn brings a FD I'm more likely to cramalam but as played I think we should fold.

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01-26-2015 , 11:05 PM

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Jth467

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Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen

Fold. If V had a big draw he would play it fast on the flop IMO. I think V has a set here almost always.

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01-27-2015 , 04:07 PM

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DGAF

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Isn't this a spot where people like to "take control" of the hand?

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01-28-2015 , 12:52 PM

#12

663366

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folding and jamming aren't the only 2 options available.

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01-30-2015 , 12:12 PM

#13

armor32

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Originally Posted by 663366

folding and jamming aren't the only 2 options available.

Finally.

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01-31-2015 , 03:00 AM

#14

TimeBomb

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Originally Posted by 663366

folding and jamming aren't the only 2 options available.

At this depth I think they are the 2 best options.

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01-31-2015 , 02:34 PM

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armor32

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Originally Posted by TimeBomb

At this depth I think they are the 2 best options.

I think jamming is the worst option.

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01-31-2015 , 04:11 PM

#16

663366

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Yup all worse fold & better call.

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02-01-2015 , 12:18 AM

#17

Rackemwillies

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I got a fold here

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02-03-2015 , 04:47 AM

#18

busticator

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Call brah

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02-03-2015 , 07:22 PM

#19

TimeBomb

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Originally Posted by 663366

Yup all worse fold & better call.

Yeah I'm sure all those flushdraws and pair+gutters are folding.

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02-04-2015 , 04:28 AM

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Renton555

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Seems like going 175 with this much of our range is a little much vs a competent player's CO range + flop calling range. It's desirable to get protection and value vs the ton of stuff we're ahead of, but the river outcomes of betting 175 seems to be mostly poor. You're only happy to see a super-blank, really, while 2/3+ of rivers will be check/folds.

Anyway as played I'd fold or call and fold most rivers if you think he gives up a lot. Ripping it in here is fine if you believe he's raising a bunch of draws but most are not and I don't think I would proceed as if he is without getting a read first.

BTW, did you have the J of diamonds?

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02-09-2015 , 11:43 PM

#21

pgcounty

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Hero calls.

River: T

.

Hero checks. Villain shoves.

The rest of our chips?

Last edited by pgcounty; 02-10-2015 at 12:12 AM.

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02-17-2015 , 05:55 PM

#22

rongeremy

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LOL well you cant fold now right? Should fold OTT

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03-12-2015 , 12:58 PM

#23

Audax

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What ended up happening?

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03-12-2015 , 02:22 PM

#24

The Muffin Man

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Turn is close. I think river is a fold. Some players raise small/check back river to see cheap showdowns with hands like A9. But I kinda doubt villain's taking this line with hands like 56hh or A6dd. Also, he likely checks back T8 and Txdd on the river.

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03-22-2015 , 09:20 AM

#25

SecondChance

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Originally Posted by 663366

Yup all worse fold & better call.

This is so untrue.

Just because YOU fold all worse doesn't mean other people do.

And sometimes, it's a good thing that 9x folds. Ever hear of suckouts?

Regarding the hand, easiest shove in the world, too many draws and you're crushing his range.

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