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08-29-2011 , 11:49 AM

hiter101

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So was playing in a 5/10 at moehegan sun nd this hand keeps bothering me

Hero is utg+2 with AcAd

Hero raises 60 pre flop
Co calls
BB Calls

Flop is 8c10c5d
Hero bet 100 both call
Turn is 3d
Hero bets 250 both call again
River 3c
Check check co bets 500 bb calls hero???

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08-29-2011 , 12:30 PM

smokingrobot

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what are effective stacks?

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08-29-2011 , 01:05 PM

hiter101

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Originally Posted by smokingrobot

what are effective stacks?

sorry forgot to mention everyone has around $1500 in front of them

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08-29-2011 , 01:05 PM

Redsaddict

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Fold. Someone has a flush here

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08-29-2011 , 01:27 PM

smokingrobot

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Originally Posted by hiter101

sorry forgot to mention everyone has around $1500 in front of them

i fold w/o a read that villain will bluff a river a very healthy % of the time, its just too good of a price to be offering MW on a paired board w/ a 3 flush and 1 more villain waiting to act behind me.

Sorry to keep asking questions but any info on both villains here? I can only guess what the bet means otherwise, and i'd default say this is a fold w/ no information.

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08-29-2011 , 01:34 PM

LucidDream

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i would literally never c/c here.

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08-29-2011 , 01:48 PM

pocketzeroes

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I'd normally bet-fold river... As played, you are inducing a bluff by a possible missed straight draw (especially ones that hit the BD flush draw). And BB could now be bluff catching with JJ, AT, etc... You will be beat more often than not in this spot, but you're getting better than 4 to 1 on a call. The fact that you have Ac discounts the flush possibilities for CO. I think this would tilt me towards making the call. But it's very villain/read dependent.

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08-29-2011 , 05:03 PM

TheTid

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You are getting about 4.5:1....i think its almost certain you have the BB beat.

Along with a missed SD, I've seen enough people bet their top pair on the river to call in this spot.

Plus, if you fold and they flip over QT and JT you could tilt for a while.

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08-29-2011 , 10:49 PM

stldonkey

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I don't like your turn bet amount b/c it is basically half pot. I think it is too small with 2 flush draws and straight draws possible. When you check the river you basically gave up and after the 1 guy bets 500 and the next player calls it makes it really hard for you to call and you have to have the best hand now against 2 other hands which makes the probability that your hand is best really small.

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08-30-2011 , 09:39 AM

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SNGplayer24

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bet the river

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08-30-2011 , 09:43 AM

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pgcounty

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Yea - you gotta bet the river for value.

Now that you are there, you have to call or you will want to kill yourself.

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08-30-2011 , 02:38 PM

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firefoxmaz11

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b/f river, i hate c/c'ing and im a station

any reads or names of villians, im familiar with some/most of the moho regulars

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09-01-2011 , 02:21 AM

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Biesterfield

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Bet bigger on turn. Call river only because you are getting over 4-1 and CO could be valuebetting TP to KK while BB makes a crying call.

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09-02-2011 , 12:43 AM

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LucidDream

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Originally Posted by TheTid

what is enough? i think CO basically never is betting those hands and think they are checking back worse overpairs a decent amount more than they are actually betting them unless they are actually good at poker which most ppl arent. his range is going to be mostly bluffs and flushes.

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09-02-2011 , 12:46 AM

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Freefalling

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As played I'm pretty much never calling in this spot, even getting decent odds. You're never good here w/o a read, especially in a live game.

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