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5/10 PAHWM vs a Lag MW 5/10 PAHWM vs a Lag MW

03-04-2017 , 03:56 AM
LAG UTG 1350ish: MAWG Euro, said he was - a couple thousand so far on his poker trip to the states. Has not been topping off even though he bought in for 1500. Has made comments to hero about how playing tighter like him is the way to go. We are friendly with each other and on a first name basis. We played a hand where i opened ep everyone else folded and v called in the bb. dry A hi board went check check and v c/r my 1/2 pot cbet on a board pairing flush draw turn, I called and v said that he cant bluff anymore and then check folded a non flush completing river and showed his missed broadway fd. This V is very capable of outside of the box thinking sometimes to his detriment. Another hand v played earlier was 2 people limp, lp (1500) raises to 40, V calls in CO limpers call. JsTs9h. Checks around. turn 4h. ch ch co bets 125ish?, co calls. river Kh. CO bets 200ish our v shoves for 950ish CO tank calls. CO has AQo, v had QJ that he claimed he tried to turn into a bluff which I believe. Opens a wide mp/lp and is very sticky post as far as folding to 3!'s as the pfr.

Hero Covers UTG +1- TAG white guy, has 3! maybe 5-7 times so far only has shown down winners. Opening a fair amount mp/lp.

MP1- 500- Old white guy just sat down

SB-1500 loose passive fitfold rec

UTG raises to 35, hero has TT and decides to call, mp1 calls, sb calls. Flop is T65r. v bets 80, hero?
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03-04-2017 , 04:04 AM
So 3 betting pre is an option here, but I'm cool with the flat as long as we know this pot is likely multiway and we are essentially taking 1010 to the mine.
What a beautiful position to be in on this flop, the only hand I'm worried about at the moment is precisely 7,8. I am cool with flatting here and seeing if we can drag someone else along. hoping our lag will fire again at this board on the turn. Probably looking at raising the turn here,
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03-04-2017 , 04:34 AM
You're probably not too far ahead of his UTG range, if you 3b it looks super strong and it would suck to get 4b, just call.

Calling the flop probably makes the most money. Very hard for anyone to have anything here, only like 6 top pair combos, T9s, JTs+ when you have top set.

You typically want to call here to get people in behind you.
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03-04-2017 , 05:38 AM
3! pre is an option, but against an UTG open and most of the table still to act, I like flatting here. I wouldn't want to have to fold this hand if someone puts in the 4!

I'm flatting flop all day long here and hoping to bring someone else along. It's a dream flop for us, we have position on the aggressor, and it's very difficult for other players to have hit this flop very hard.
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03-04-2017 , 06:26 AM
I raise flop .. If he is sticky with overpairs, thats our best chance to get in the money. I would much rather flat if the board was like KT4r or AT6, because it`s more likely that the other players will come along with TP-kind of hands.

On T65 they have something that they will play anyway (sets) or get a great price to draw.

I raise to 230
bet any turn 380
Jam most rivers
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03-04-2017 , 01:50 PM
Yea small raise, 225.

If we flat maybe we can get short stack to jam or get another call behind to juice the pot. I think raising is best tho.
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03-05-2017 , 02:34 AM
Flop is T65r, V bets 80, hero calls, mp folds, Sb calls. Turn. 9s still rainbow.
V bets 150. Hero?
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03-05-2017 , 02:37 PM
It's pretty difficult to play this badly in the turn provided you don't fold, calling let's villan barell again and disguises our hand strength, raiseing goes for max value but it's tough for a decent villan to call this raise with less than top two.
I probably flat and then call/raise river dependant, I'm really not that worried about precisely 78 and what other draws can call on the flop?
Obviously can get behind a raise as well though, but I think call is better.
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03-05-2017 , 04:48 PM
Preflop: I like the call

Flop: I could make a case for the call here to see if anyone else will come along, or ti entice V to bet again on the turn.

Turn: Pot is $380 and V bets $150, I probably raise here (around $450).
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03-05-2017 , 05:12 PM
Flat turn
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03-05-2017 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
Flat turn
Why?
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03-05-2017 , 10:06 PM
Turn is pretty bad for utg range, after he bets the turn he only has a few overpairs, like 2-3 combos of pairs with draws, and mostly bluffs. So I like a turn flat, plus a turn raise on a super dry board like this looks super strong.

On the river he only has $235 left with the pot around $570.
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03-05-2017 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by scant
Turn is pretty bad for utg range, after he bets the turn he only has a few overpairs, like 2-3 combos of pairs with draws, and mostly bluffs. So I like a turn flat, plus a turn raise on a super dry board like this looks super strong.

On the river he only has $235 left with the pot around $570.
Utg v has 1350ish to start the hand. He has more than 235 left.
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03-05-2017 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 7weeks2days
Utg v has 1350ish to start the hand. He has more than 235 left.
Misread the op, thought he was the one with $500. I think it will be hard to get much more money in here. I think really only overpairs is something you could get potential action from (he may even fold to your raise).
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03-06-2017 , 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 7weeks2days
Why?
Stay wide, keep him wide, but let him keep repping narrow. Lots of value to be had on the end, even though some rivers are problematic - but never too bad bc you're pretty shallow.
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03-06-2017 , 01:03 PM
Call pre and call flop are both good. You have the board crushed, no reason to raise flop.

AP to the turn, calling seems best because there aren't any real draws left (78 got there, I'm not really worried about 58/34). I see no need to spook out the EP's range that includes lots of overpairs. Let people keep calling with JJ/Tx etc. Maybe 65 or a turned two pair will raise behind us and we print all the moneys.
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03-06-2017 , 02:25 PM
as played:

It can go either way on the turn. If the whale is sticky I like raising a lot, but I like calling as well.
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03-06-2017 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by proBono
as played:

It can go either way on the turn. If the whale is sticky I like raising a lot, but I like calling as well.
whale?
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03-07-2017 , 03:06 PM
Min-raise fold to all in

In real time I just call but might be better to put in a small raise on the turn.
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03-07-2017 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ASLheadwalk
Min-raise fold to all in

In real time I just call but might be better to put in a small raise on the turn.
folding on the turn in any scenario here would be horrendous.
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03-07-2017 , 04:15 PM
i'm probably flatting the turn unless we know him to be really sticky with over pairs. 78 is a pretty loose utg open, even from a lag and i just don't see us being beat here often. i give him one more shot to bet the river and am raising almost all rivers except an 8. probably still calling most bets on the river even if it is an 8.

i think against most lags, raising just makes him fold his air and weak pairs, but if we call and he still has Tx, 6x, etc he probably bets one more time.
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03-07-2017 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dubey
folding on the turn in any scenario here would be horrendous.
+1

Pre-flop you played fine. I think 3betting here with 10s is a bit ambitious and as someone said, getting 4bet here is pretty aids.

Flop was fine. I think rainbow calling is fine. If it was not a rainbow, you shove hard on the flop so also fine with this.

Turn: I think you should have raised. The only hand you are behind right now is 7-8 which is pretty obscure. Your villian is likely trying to represent an overpair, and maybe a straight in some worlds. Hands like K-Q are also possible, and the lack of 3-bet from you means if he is decent at reading, he thinks you probably have jacks/queens. He is holding kings. Jam hard, and make him think you have queens/jacks.
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03-07-2017 , 05:21 PM
raising pre is not smart, it's boarderline FPS. it's a med PP after an UTG raise and we're in UTG+1? call.

As played, raise the turn. He's still firing with multimple players so he likes his hand, try to get more/all the money in.
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03-08-2017 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 7weeks2days
whale?
yeah .. pretty idiotic to post this, if the whale will call with anything.

raise it otf

as played
raise it ott
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03-10-2017 , 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by proBono
yeah .. pretty idiotic to post this, if the whale will call with anything.

raise it otf

as played
raise it ott
I'm trying to figure out where you got whale from. There is no whale. Villain in this hand is not a whale.
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