Hi,

Played some CHF 5/10 this weekend. Following hand occuerd:

Hero: Playing pretty tight, as the table is full of fishes and random casino gamblers.

Villian: Calling station, plays very loose pre flop and calls post flop way too much with underpairs, garbage etc.

Hero: QcQs - Raise from UTG+1 3x
Villian: Call from UTG+2
Rest: Fold.

Flop: 7s 9s 10c

Hero: Cbet 60, Villian calls

Turn: 9c

Hero: bet 75, Villian raise to 175, Hero: ???

As this players does rarley raise, I decided to give up and fold my hand as there were so many bad rivers (every club/spade, 8, 6, King, Ace and probably also every 10 and 7) that could have came, which beat my hand (if it was not already beat on the turn). And I did not want to play a horrible river card OOP vs villian.

As mentioned above, I folded my hand, Villian mucked, but showed King of Clubs. Not quite sure, if I made the right decission. Hands like K-9, KK or KJs (with straigh / flush draw) are definitly in villians range. I am also wondering why he showed me only one card, as he usually shows both, when he folds/mucks a hand)

PS. Sorry for my english, its not my mother language. :S

Your turn sizing is terrible. Bet a lot bigger and you can avoid this situation entirely.

I don't think that the described type of villain is capable of noticing that hero's bet sizing might be indicative for a mediocre hand strength. Thus, hero's bet sizing is won't trigger villain's raise. If villain wanted to bluff raise, he would've raised a 120 CHF bet as well.

There are some combos (even Kx) that beat us or at least have a decent amount of equity, a lot of river cards are ugly to play oop. That's why I think, a turn fold is absolutely not a terrible play. Nh.

I've been hearing this argument a lot lately and I just don't buy it. I think even random fish are likely to realize you probably aren't too strong when you bet 75 OTT after betting 60 OTF.

What the muffin man said- bet like a man!

ding ding.

Yea betting 60 into 70 and then 75 into 190 looks pretty weak. Prob bet like 45 into 70, then 90-100 into 160, and b/f ott seems fine in general, just with better bet sizing.

When you bet 75 and he raises to 175 I immediately thought, "Aha he fell for it!", but then you folded. Obviously board isn't great for your hand and 9 isn't the best, but I don't see how you can fold to described villian. I think I would fold to a 10 or 6 river if he bets again but that is about it. Honestly if you are folding in this spot just check. You may lose some value from a10 and draws, but you may also induce. Checking turn makes your hand way under repped and basicly garuntees he pays you off on the river with any pair.

also you might as well make it bigger pre if everybody is just a station

Yeah, 3x is way small from UTG against a fishy passive table. If you thought 3x was gonna induce 3bets, then sure, but otherwise you should probably 4x-5x comfortably, and maybe even higher if the table had a dynamic of calling 6x-8x opens (sometimes happens).

I also like ticketmaster's sizing tips, 45 into 70 and 100 into 160 seems perfect as played.

If 3x only gets 1 caller maybe the table isn't too loose

and maybe everybody had a bottom 50% hand. we have to go with the reads that OP gave.

When they show one card it means they weren't bluffing but want you to think they were

With 3.45:1 on a call I think I'm calling on the turn. The board is just so draw heavy. You can be easily beat here and I think the most likely hand is KK (having seen a K). I know if I had KJc I would be raising this turn though. I'd be more worried about a club river than a spade river. 5% of the time you bink a Q anyway.

The good news is I don't think you'll be facing a huge bet on the river if you are facing one. A T will check behind usually, realising he can only beat missed draws.

I would also bet 150 on the turn.

(@ bolded) Why? Are you trying to fold out every hand you beat?

@OP- what are stack sizes? I guess you could make an argument for calling to turn to fold the river if you think he'll check back some 10x. Sometimes this could be raising to "see where he's at" or get a cheap showdown (if he's a showdown monkey).

No, I think this board is so draw heavy you're going to get called by a lot, especially by said calling station. If you bet small you have no idea about your opponents range on the river. I would also bet like this with AXs/c? I'm definitely balanced in this spot.

+1 This.


Your turn sizing was just asking to get raised.