Vill is 20s competent lag. Probably Views hero as competent tag although I've shown down less winning hands then reloads.


Pre - vill opens ep 35 I call lp bu calls and a blind calls.

Flop (145) - a47 2 diamonds (ad). Vill cbets 75 I raise to 275 vill calls.

Turn (695) -10s putting be spades. Check out to me I bet 400 vill tank calls.

River (1495) - Ao. Vill checks.

We started a little over 2k eff. My hand is essentially irrelevant as I need to bet to win and have no blockers.

Your hand is relevant because it's pretty important if you want to discuss your flop and turn play. Because flop and turn are arguably the most important streets on this hand. Anyways I understand you want to just focus on river play so what ever.

If you have air on the river on this runout it seems like a trivial check he never folds anything. His most likely holding Ax, which always calls.

Just my 2 cents

When you say you have no blockers, I assume you mean diamonds, but also a 4, 5, 6 or 7. In this respect, there's less chance of Villain having a busted draw, which he must nearly always fold if you decide to bet the river. That Villain is also a "competent lag" means his EP range does contain SCs as well as Ax and medium PPs, all of which will likely call a river bet, as will, of course, JJ+. With the tank call on the turn and your minimal profile of V, I just can't see your bet succeeding often enough. My only thought was whether you could bet half-pot, which would fold out the same part of his range that would fold to a larger bet (i.e. busted draw with no s/d) and therefore effectively raise the EV of your bluff. Also, you have to consider that Villain might also just donk river with a busted draw, so his check on the river also suggests that his plan was to c/c rather than c/f. So, in the end, I favour giving up.

Would you ever fold to a ship?

I like the fact the Hero hasn't revealed his hand and yet still acknowledged he doesn't have blockers. This means that the thread is more concerned with the best line for the Hero's perceived range; I mean, 56dd and 77 should be represented by identical lines on the flop and turn, and, possibly, the river. What's more interesting, perhaps, is whether Hero would take this same line with AQ or AK (i.e., whether Villain would include these combos in Hero's nutted range).

Don't really understand the question? Am I calling a smaller then pot sized bet on the river with a random hand that I called a flop raise and turn bet on when all the draws missed? I think what ever Villian gets to the river with it should be a call if he is calling flop+turn on this runout.

Vills range was very wide and I thought I could profitably raise ATC here and even if he has ak I can still turn the best hand.

So why did you bet turn?

To fold some draws and 1 pair hands as well as possibly 3 barreling. Are there any other non value reasons?

To me that's pretty much tag range, this guy will open waaaay wider ie probably opens 22. For this reason I raise flop because with his wide open/cbet range I think flop raise is independently profitable especially considering my image was slightly better then usual.

I don't like shoving river with missed diamonds. Shoving river with a missed straight draw is a bit better though.

I don't think both of these should be true simultaneously.

You're saying he should call with 87dd?

I don't think 78dd gets to the river like this all that often. It can 3b flop or fold turn. And if it does that is 1 combo, and don't think it has to call, since you have so many Ax. Personally I wouldn't play 78dd like this.

Oh my there is no chance vill doesn't 3bet flop with pair+FD. Also vill flop cbet range was about 50% in spots like this so I'm reasonably sure my line would get some respect since I hadn't tried anything vs him all night.

If you think he is only CB 50% then he is going to have a pretty strong range when he CB., and especially when he continues vs your flop raise.

so if we all agree our flop raising range is 56dd, 56s?, 44, A7s, A4s and 77 (it sounds like you may have even did this with a non-connecting small pocket pair i.e. 55) we have to bomb this river. however, him being a LAG and you mentioning he has the capability of opening 22 UTG, he has the whole range we are trying to represent. he may as well be boated in this spot and we'd be attempting a straight suicide bluff right into the stone cold nuts

I think I like a check with our whole range on this turn card. what do you all think?

I think his flop range is all draws, maybe all aces and sometimes other pairs. When he calls on turn I think he can still have some draws that maybe improved but mostly good aces. I was planning to bet about 1k on the river but the A froze me.

if you think he mostly has trips river is pretty clear check or all in for 1.3x pot.Anything in between would be pretty terrible.....assuming he doesn't think you're a huge idiot and he has a fold button he probably wont give you credit for being able to bluff the worst bluff card in the deck. tbh, if the hand was posted from villains perspective with Ax and you jammed river for 1.3x pot everyone would say to fold, obv has full house and doesnt think you're folding, etc....

This is pretty much what I was thinking but how can he have a boat really by the river for sure A4+ jams this wet flop or turn. Without that his range is capped at ak which obv isn't disguised at all.

ehh trying to get someone to fold trips is suicide you guys are on crack you would need at least 2x pot imo

I generally agree but I think it would work here vs the right player type. Doing this with a bad image and without a reeeeallly good read is definite spew.

Once V calls this turn bet, ur going to be showing him a hand or giving up IMO unless you have a dynamic going daily with said villain.

As played, check river.
Prob shouldn't be raising flop in position in the first place though.

I don't get why you would take a raise flop/bet turn line against a "competent" LAG simply because of his "wide open/cbet" range. From Villain's perspective it can very much appear that you're trying to look like you are protecting your equity (in the manner of a nittish TAG). I suspect that this tight hat doesn't quite fit Hero since you say "my image was slightly better than usual". If you had AT-AJ here or A4s (Villain would likely assume you're 3betting AQ+ preflop), wouldn't you just be calling flop and then raise or bet turn, especially as you have position? The raise-bet-bet line you're advocating looks too much like a semi-bluff, and, if Villain is a genuine LAG, then his wider opening range would be accompanied by a wider calling range---one which could well include 22, even K high (I mean this is the part of his range that you are attempting to pressure a fold from but in my experience LAGs do like to Hero call and eke more value from the bottom of their calling ranges than others). In this respect, I don't mind if you've got 55 or 67 and have technically merged and thus very much owned Villain's soul (although this unfortunately isn't the case since you've no blockers); would be nice if you had 9s or Js.