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5/10 Live, Good card to two barrell turn?? line check 5/10 Live, Good card to two barrell turn?? line check

03-20-2010 , 03:56 PM
Villain starts hand with 2k, Hero covers
Haven't played much with villain but he is definitely a loose player, not sure if he is loose passive or loose aggressive yet.

8 handed game

Hero raises to $40 from CO with 67, button calls $40, villain in the sb calls $40, bb calls $40

($160) Flop comes

468

villain checks, bb checks, hero bets $100, button folds, villain calls $100, bb folds

Thought villain could have a lot of pair+straight draw combos, flush draws, and mid pairs like 77,99, 8x in his range

($360) Turn

Q

villain checks, hero bets $275

I thought this would be a good card to two barrell because it doesn't hit his flop calling range, and it puts him in a tough spot with 77,99, and 8x. Also, we are getting value from flush draws. I think I would make the same bet if the turn was a J,K,or A as well. If I had 99-AA in this spot I would play this hand the same way.

Some would argue that we have a good amount of equity and could just check behind on the turn here. However, doing this may make the hand more difficult to play on the river if we induce him to bluff a missed draw or value bet his hand, where if we bet the turn instead we can probably get a free showdown.

Also, this player was relatively unknown, I find these two barrell spots to work better against thinking weak/tight players who look for reasons to fold.
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03-20-2010 , 11:43 PM
theres 3 types of hands he could have here. 2 overcards with flush draw, slow playing a set, or a smaller overpair (9s, 10s, Js). 2 of which you lose against and what you do win against the Queen may have paired him. I'd give up on the pot take a free card maybe you'll get lucky if he misses his draw and pair. If you're going to win this pot you'll have to bluff or make a straight.

So the type of plays you can do here ... check it through (unless making a straight) or large bet the turn to make him fold 9s, 10s, or Js as you represent the Queen or pocket Ks/As.

I prefer check-check cause the only value you can get from this hand is conserving your chips and not putting anymore into the pot.
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03-21-2010 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Ertai2
I prefer check-check cause the only value you can get from this hand is conserving your chips and not putting anymore into the pot.
what about all the value we get from flush draws?
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03-21-2010 , 09:46 PM
What was your plan if he makes it $550..$650..$750..more? The answer to this question will help you decide if this what the right line for you right then vs that player.
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03-22-2010 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jlocdog
What was your plan if he makes it $550..$650..$750..more? The answer to this question will help you decide if this what the right line for you right then vs that player.
i think vs a player that never raise bluffs, i would just continue to barrel here, and make a big bet on the river if an A or K hits (or if we get lucky and draw out to a bigger hand). i would prefer to get value and / or maintain a line where i can pull off a river bluff if i'm beat, rather than just give up on a hand with decent sd value if i'm afraid to call an induced river bet. but i guess if we check turn and river straight or trips, we can make a big bet or raise on river and get paid off for the fishy line.
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03-23-2010 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by jlocdog
What was your plan if he makes it $550..$650..$750..more? The answer to this question will help you decide if this what the right line for you right then vs that player.
If he raised on the turn I would fold...guess this means I should be checking behind here since my hand has a good amount of equity?
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03-23-2010 , 12:29 AM
yeah this is completely player dependent. If he is capable of c/r here with a draw then I'd prob CIB but if its just your standard live station then I'd bet again as you're either getting value from draws or potentially folding out hands that beat us.
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03-23-2010 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by kwansolo
i think vs a player that never raise bluffs, i would just continue to barrel here, and make a big bet on the river if an A or K hits (or if we get lucky and draw out to a bigger hand). i would prefer to get value and / or maintain a line where i can pull off a river bluff if i'm beat, rather than just give up on a hand with decent sd value if i'm afraid to call an induced river bet. but i guess if we check turn and river straight or trips, we can make a big bet or raise on river and get paid off for the fishy line.
I really don't like barreling the river if villain calls on the turn since our hand has showdown value. Once he calls us on the turn, his range is mostly draws and the best of his made hands. On the river we beat his missed draws, and if he suspected we were bluffing on the turn, then he's probably going to make a hero call on the river.

If the river is a brick and we bet again I think we are repping AQ+, which seems like a narrow range.
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03-23-2010 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by jshove87
yeah this is completely player dependent. If he is capable of c/r here with a draw then I'd prob CIB but if its just your standard live station then I'd bet again as you're either getting value from draws or potentially folding out hands that beat us.
I haven't played enough with villain to know if he is capable of this, but I can assume that he isn't. Live players who check-raise bluff draws in a spot like this where Hero is showing so much strength are RARE.
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