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04-27-2014 , 08:41 PM
the game is 5-10 and the table is easy with 5 fish
a good player that raise a lot open UTG 30 (2k)UTG+1 (2k)another good player calls ,me (1,4k)after the UTG+1 R 120(my image is tight-aggressive and I 3bet OR 3 times in this session,I could call because there are a fish in LP that 3bet a lot but I prefer 3bet because OR is UTG)with KsKf after than me a fish (2k)almost raise (so he had QQ AK)call 120 another fish in CO (4k)call 120 OR call 120 and flatter call 120
pot: 600 flop Js2s3h
cek cek,I bet 250 (I commetted on this flop and I want that some fish call my bet)a fish after than me fold QQ and call only a fish in CO (range AK with As ,AQs,AsQ TJs JQs JKs AJs JJ and sometimes TT 99)he is a fish that likes big pot and doesn t like loose
pot 1,1k I have 1k
turn is a Th what your action C/C or push?
sorry for my english
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04-27-2014 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by seventy6
the game is 5-10 and the table is easy with 5 fish
a good player that raise a lot open UTG 30 (2k)UTG+1 (2k)another good player calls ,me (1,4k)after the UTG+1 R 120(my image is tight-aggressive and I 3bet OR 3 times in this session,I could call because there are a fish in LP that 3bet a lot but I prefer 3bet because OR is UTG)with KsKf after than me a fish (2k)almost raise (so he had QQ AK)call 120 another fish in CO (4k)call 120 OR call 120 and flatter call 120
pot: 600 flop Js2s3h
cek cek,I bet 250 (I commetted on this flop and I want that some fish call my bet)a fish after than me fold QQ and call only a fish in CO (range AK with As ,AQs,AsQ TJs JQs JKs AJs JJ and sometimes TT 99)he is a fish that likes big pot and doesn t like loose
pot 1,1k I have 1k
turn is a Th what your action C/C or push?
sorry for my english
SORRY C/R or push ,maybe Bet/call?
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04-28-2014 , 06:32 AM
Err bet/call like 500 for value (especially given villian is fish), assuming I've read the hand correctly.
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04-28-2014 , 08:17 AM
I can barely even follow the action in this hand.. try to read some of the stickies at the top for good advice on hand history formatting. It will make the hand a lot easier to respond to.

I think it went down like this?..

Pre:
UTG ($2,000) opens for $30
UTG1 ($2,000) calls $30
Hero ($1,400) 3bets to $120 with KK
LP fish ($2,000) cold calls
Co fish ($4,000) cold calls
BTN folds
SB folds
BB folds
UTG calls
UTG1 calls

Flop ($610): J23
UTG checks
UTG1 checks
Hero bets $250
CO calls $250

Turn ($1,110) T
Hero does what?


If that's how the action went down then I would say bet hte flop a little bit bigger with the flush draw out there. We would like to make people pay a higher than 3.4:1 price to chase their draw. I would prefer $375-$400 here.

On the turn, just keep betting. Bet around $625 here and plan to call a shove.

If he calls the turn, then just shove all non spade rivers.
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04-28-2014 , 08:58 AM
Bet bigger on the flop so you can shove this turn.

I like iraisetoomuch's line. Hope you didn't get TJed.
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04-28-2014 , 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
I can barely even follow the action in this hand.. try to read some of the stickies at the top for good advice on hand history formatting. It will make the hand a lot easier to respond to.

I think it went down like this?..

Pre:
UTG ($2,000) opens for $30
UTG1 ($2,000) calls $30
Hero ($1,400) 3bets to $120 with KK
LP fish ($2,000) cold calls
Co fish ($4,000) cold calls
BTN folds
SB folds
BB folds
UTG calls
UTG1 calls

Flop ($610): J23
UTG checks
UTG1 checks
Hero bets $250
CO calls $250

Turn ($1,110) T
Hero does what?


If that's how the action went down then I would say bet hte flop a little bit bigger with the flush draw out there. We would like to make people pay a higher than 3.4:1 price to chase their draw. I would prefer $375-$400 here.

On the turn, just keep betting. Bet around $625 here and plan to call a shove.

If he calls the turn, then just shove all non spade rivers.
yes the action was taht
your post is metter than mine
I bet small because there are 2 fish in the hand and the first of this i think that has AK-QQ because he wanted to raise preflop and the second fish can flat a lot.....infact the first fold QQ and the second call my bet of 250
turn Th pot 1,1K
I cek because he can bet TP or something like Ask that floating or other hand that floating in this spot....he bets 725 and I push 1k he calls and show JTd
river blank and he wins the pot
so...the easy line is B/C but I think that against some fish like this was better C/R because he bets a lot of time while if I bet he can fold the J and sure a floating hand.....
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04-28-2014 , 10:39 AM
Bet bigger otf to set up a 3/4 pot shove ott
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04-30-2014 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen
Bet bigger otf to set up a 3/4 pot shove ott
this is hands down the only good way to play this
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04-30-2014 , 07:50 PM
First off, if a player in this spot folded QQ then I would rethink calling him a fish as he obviously had a good read on you.

Second, if players in these hands really are "fish" then for the love of god you don't have to bet small to keep them in. If they have Jx they are calling. If they have underpairs they will put you on AK or a flush draw and call. And if they have the flush draw they will call.

You already 3-bet preflop, so the cat is out of the bag that you have a decent hand. So you might as well just not give odds and bet so that you can set up a turn shove.

Lead flop for $350-ish with the plan to shove pretty much all non-ace turns. If villains are really "fish" then they will call.

And even if they aren't fish, doesn't matter too much. Pot is huge, your hand is face up with your 3-bet pre, and you will be more or less pot committed with any decent flop bet. So there really is little point in betting so small on flop unless you are trying to induce an aggro into raising you. But to me, that is just FPS (fancy player syndrome). Just play this hand straight forward since its multi-way and a huge pot and SPR is < 2 on the flop.

bigger bet on flop and jam turn. Easy peezy japanesey, no need to make a fairly standard situation complicated.

Given the pot size, range of hands, and villain descriptions, we are never folding a non spade turn. Hell, we have the K which probably means we are committed even if a spade hits the turn. So just take a standard ABC line.

above is most optimal line.

Another line is if you just open jammed the flop and went all-in. I could get behind that as well. To me, that is MUCH better than leading flop for $250

Leading flop $350 and jamming turn > jamming flop > leading flop for $250

Last edited by dgiharris; 04-30-2014 at 07:56 PM.
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