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hate his river sizing
he lays you like infinity-1 in a spot where he has hella bluffs and you rly dont need to be right v often to make $
looking at it like that it seems like a pretty ez call
so yea its 475 more to win 1520 after running the numbers real quick

Villains is not trying to bluff hero off a value hand with this sizing. Villain thinks hero is full of ****/3-barreling, but he can't call cauz he only has K-high himself. If hero has AJ or A4s here, hero probably mucks the river without giving it much thought, so villain's play is not as bad as most of the guys in the thread think.

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03-04-2014 , 12:07 AM

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ebet33

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Folding is prob a better option than clicking it to like 2.5x in a spot where you rep thin, and more importantly while laying a price that makes it v profitable to call
I like the idea of raising though, the first thought was 2 just overbet shove. but think it's 2 deep for that.
Something like 130-150% psb w blockers to the nuts could be kinda nice imo

Last edited by ebet33; 03-04-2014 at 12:14 AM.

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03-04-2014 , 06:36 AM

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AAismyfriend

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Originally Posted by HappyLuckBox

Just curious, what is your thought process regarding why this makes the hand easier to call? If we had the Jh/Js doesnt it remove potential flush combos that villian could be now turning into a bluff, thereby strengthening his valuerange and diluting his bluff range? If anybody could provide me with an answer, i would appreciate it.

He cant have KJ/J8h or KJ/J8s if we have one of those.....which is pretty much what he's repping

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03-04-2014 , 07:03 AM

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FRYTWO

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definitely x/c on river - we allow him to bluff when we have him beat and avoid value owning ourselves when he has us beat

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03-04-2014 , 08:54 PM

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Winning Races

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The problem is all you can really beat is a bluff, so how likely do you think it is he's bluffing here?

You're getting 3.2:1, so do you think he's bluffing more than 32% of the time? (If I'm doing the math right)

Without more history/reads, I'm inclined to fold. Hell, even some of the hands he's turning into a bluff here (Q8) beat JJ.

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03-05-2014 , 03:41 AM

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AAismyfriend

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Originally Posted by Winning Races

What 5/10 game do you play in where people are bluff raising Q8 otr in this spot?

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03-05-2014 , 01:36 PM

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Winning Races

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What 5/10 game do you play in where people are bluff raising Q8 otr in this spot?

You're right, it's a stretch, I just happen to play in a very tough 5/10 game where some players are capable of some of very creative plays, so sometimes I take an outlier and generalize it too much. Point well taken.

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03-05-2014 , 03:48 PM

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Dwarf Invasion

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Originally Posted by Winning Races

24% breakeven win frequency for 3.2:1 odds

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03-05-2014 , 05:13 PM

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Winning Races

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 113

I was using the "bet divided by bet+pot" formula, did I do it wrong?

If the last "bet" he had to call was the additional 475 on top of his river bet, then I added the two to get 1520. 475 divided by 1520 is .3125

What am I missing?

Thanks in advance.