$2300 effective. I have a tight image. I did 3! a couple times but did not go to showdown. I should be viewed as capable of squeezing.

UTG+2: opens to $75. Mid 20s WG. He's loose and capable of big moves, has a lot of heart and is sticky.

MP calls : Good TAG player. I don't really see him calling a 3! if UTG+2 folds.

BTN calls : Decent reg. I think he's on the too loose side and probably a little too sticky.

I have JJ in the $10bb. Calling seems too weak. 3! and playing a bloated pot OOP doesn't sound good either. I guess I could flat and if straddle squeezes I can stuff and look FOS. Opinions?

Why are you trying to calculate 3 factorial at the poker table?

As for the actual hand, it's a super-easy 3-bet. You're way ahead of both of their ranges, and you're way ahead of their continue range vs. a 3-bet, and you get some benefits from them folding some hands with ok equity vs. you.

I think this is a pretty trivial 3bet given the 2 callers. If you do decide to just call I definitely don't think it's just with the intention of set mining.

3-bet for value. 1010 is probably a call, 99 clear call

Squeeze ldo

400 pre.

The only risk with squeezing jj is getting 4 bet.

You need to have enough reads in your opponents to stack off here.

400 pre also puts them in a tough spot with their 4 bet sizing. At 2300 effective, their 4 bet can't be bigger than 800, which is too small as a bluff.

We can often safely fold to a shove if they are reasonably tight in thee spots. Jj has only 36% against qq+ ak+.

In a way you are turning jj into a bluff. But that doesn't mean it's a less profitable play.

The exact profitability of calling vs raising will depend a lot

1. If straddle squeezes light
2. If the original raiser perceives your squeezes light and thus stacks off lightly.
3. How easily do you expect to see showdown oop against 3 or 4 players.
4. How likely is it that someone will pay you off handsomely when you flop a set by just calling.
5. How lightly they call your squeeze to create a bloated pot in which you will often have to stack off at spr of 2 or below.

^ that guy pretty much said everything I was going to.

Unless you have absolutely no history of 3bet/4bet/5bet bluff w/ villain, I think GII might still be best. 3bet/fold jacks is sometimes the right play, but not neccessarily the right play here. But the initial decision is most definitely a 3bet.

I agree it's a clear 3b but would love to hear everyone's thoughts/rules for standard sizing here.

I play in very high vpip games where these spots come up often (single 3x open, 14 callers) to where your large 3b sizing actually creates really inelastic continuing ranges (not a bad thing I guess, but I always feel like a jackass putting in a million bbs to what is effectively a 3x open).

I made it $375. None of the players in the hand were bad. What are we expecting calls from small-medium pairs, connectors, Ax's? Hoping everyone folds?

Anyways original opener 4bets and I ended up folding.

Also, I think it is close to a set mine spot if I did end up just flatting PF. It's pretty tough to continue if UTG+2 bets out into the field even if the flop comes without any overs. I guess we could call flop and eval, it just sucks against this specific type of villain that's a good hand reader and is willing to unload the clip.

Without the straddle i flat with some frequency

At these effective stacks with $20 straddle im gonna 3b almost always

Usually just 4x it and I'd be peeling most small 4b sizings

You 4x even with 2 lp callers?

yah seems fine :/

This is a pretty good hand to flat with in this spot, all things considered.

I will also 3bet and go with the hand here in this spot with 115bb stack effective. Just flat only with strong read on the UTG+2 that he is super nit with his open there.
3bet and fold to a 4bet imo seems the worst play I can do, basically you turn a premium hand into a bluff PF (bleah), then is not a premium hand an you should call instead.
With TT i think is very close, probably I'll be a bit nit and just flat with it.

I'd really like to hear more thoughts on people's sizing in spots like this bc it comes up quite often in live poker.

just pick a size that they gives stupid villains a tough decision whether to call or fold

I doubt I should be getting it in here with no 3bet/4bet dynamic, especially with me completely read-less on his 4bet get it in range. It literally comes down to if he gets it in with 1010 here. In live cash I doubt there are many players looking to 4bet/get it in with 1010... especially without any dynamic.

Then the perfect spot if afraid of dynamic to flat and play for a set mind. Personal i will play with 3bet, $260(13bb) dead money down, could't be so wrong to do it and if there was no dynamic so far it's the perfect spot to start create some

getting it in here is pretty awful and loses a sht ton of money

It's a very clear reraise. I'd make it between 325-400 depending on how loose the game is. You can fold to a reraise from UTG2 or MP, expecting to run into a QQ+ AK (or tighter) range. You would need 38% to call and you'd have <36%. It's not pleasant when that happens, but it's necessary.

As a side note, OP why do you not see MP calling if UTG2 folds? Seems to me like his range to call pre should be pretty strong and may include premiums.

Why not pick A5s for a 3bet, you have a blocker, you can fold with it to a 4bet, easy game
If people in US 3bet with JJ and then fold to a 4 bet i just wait to get my visa and print money like in 2010

MSuditu, people happen do choose other options than 4-betting or folding.

And yeah, if you want to rip it in for 2200 with bluffs as UTG2 then go right ahead. We'll see how things turn out for you.

Sorry, probably i was to offensive, i deeply apologies.
Money have nothing to do with the play in this spot, this is a 115 big blind effective spot.
In order to make the right play you have to detach from them and think in blinds.
What I was trying to say was the next thing:
JJ is at the border between a premium hand and a medium one in this spot. If you put it in a category you must play accordingly.
Ex:
-if you decide to 3bet there is not much turn back to stack off here. I agree is not the best spot for it, but personal I'm doing it because from my point of view there are too much dead money down. If you play an aggressive style this in my opinion is a top hand you can have in this spot.
-if you decide to call then you play for set mining . With JJ in a 4 way (probably 5 way because the straddle had pretty good odds to complete also) it will be very hard to play on any over card ( Q K A) and also on very connected boards (567 345 678 467 ) or even on paired boards (885 996 TT7) and from my point of view you will not realize all your equity and you will probably be forced to over fold, but this will also compensate with over realizing the equity when you actually hit a set
What's happening when you decide to 3bet PF and after fold to a 4bet? Now you basically turn your hand into a bluff. And the problem with this is the fact that this hand as I said before is wright between the premium and medium hands you all have. So you deny all your equity by folding (and this hand quite has some good equity here). That's the main reason PF when you pick a hand for this kind of play should be one that don't realize that much equity posflop and also has a blocker( A2 A3 A4 A5 most of the time work perfectly as bluffs)
Now comes the question: If I 3bet UTG+2 4bet only AA and KK and i have to fold... It takes a very very strong read and big history with a person to be sure and have such a strong read on a person. Assuming reads like this with few information I think also Doug Polk in his videos says you should not done. Now by 3betting and folding to a 4bet with JJ you expose yourself to a very exploitative play. If the opponent is a decent player and has some bluffs here he will print money on you. From what info Tiltyjoker provides
doing that could be -EV.
This are my toughs, sorry again for being an ******* in the previous post, I'm not saying this should be played,I could be massive wrong, I'm just saying what I do and explained my logic because I will also like to hear other people explanations not just words like (yeah call, fold, 3bet)