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4betting QQ against a crazy person 4betting QQ against a crazy person

04-09-2012 , 06:41 PM
1/2 Saturday night.

Villain is a young crazy Asian. 3bet the best player at the table with A2, other guy 4bet, and Villain shoved and got called by JJ and Villain hit an A.

Villain ($300)

Hero ($450)

Hero opens to $10 with QQ

Villain 3bets to $35. Gets back to Hero who makes it $135, looking to get it in. Villain flats.

Flop ($270): K22

Hero?

This a pretty gross flop for me to shove. c/f? I would have loved to get it in preflop, maybe I should have just 4bet shoved. The villain sucks but this flop is atricious.
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04-09-2012 , 07:31 PM
can't fold now, i'd just get it in.
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04-09-2012 , 07:41 PM
you describe villian as a crazy person but imo he's just a hyper lag/spewtard or in other words a huge whale.

easy shove otf, if he has a king, o well, but villian will miss this flop way more then hitting.

if anything this flop is prob a great way to get max value outta QQ's if he has a hand like 88-JJ's i think hell snap off alot here especially otf thinking he's way good. if he has a hand like A10d or any other diamon draw hes also calling easily.

how does villian perceive you as, does he think your tight or hes just your typical low stakes player spewing?
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04-09-2012 , 07:53 PM
It would be nice if you gave the positions of you and the villain but i assume your oop. I would never fold to a bet from villain but talks like this is an easy shove otf is crazy. You should check this flop and react to villain. You don't need to protect your hand(against what your clearly in a way ahead-way behind situation) and the only big mistake villain is going to make in this hand is from betting.

While u could get some calls from his mid pp's like JJ-88 honestly if villain had that type of hand he just stacks off with it preflop(he shoved A2o) and when he flats your bet he has like an Ax type hand, a small pp, or some suited connector or KJ QT type hand. Villain is aggressive so he prob can't help himself to try and bluff the King as a scare card. If villain checks behind which he will do a good % of time I check to him again on any non diamond. If its a diamond i bet out to get calls from the time's he has a flush draw and to somewhat protect my hand, and if an Ace comes on the turn i curse myself and stab myself in the eye but i pretty much go into check/fold mode. On the river if he still checks behind i go for like a 1/2 pot value bet and hope to get a crying call from any pair he has in his range.
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04-09-2012 , 08:05 PM
Against these super agro players I would check/shove flop, his range is so wide here I'm looking to get stacks in. If we shove now we give him an opportunity to fold Ax, and some smaller pairs he might have.

I don't know how good he is or if a check would look suspect from you, maybe even a small bet to get him to over shove.
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04-09-2012 , 08:05 PM
With just over a half pot-sized bet, against a crazy villain whose range is wide, there is no way you can fold now. Given stacks he is probably calling off with a pocket pair on this flop as much as he would bet it if checked to so your line at this point prob doesn't matter much. I guess he may fold a PP on this board as your perceived range is AK or a bigger PP so perhaps check and let him do your betting. He's shoving his flush draws anyway. Just don't c/f!
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04-09-2012 , 08:10 PM
I was UTG, he was MP
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04-09-2012 , 10:45 PM
just keep checking and get it in if he bets (and he will bet eventually with basically 100% of his range)
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04-09-2012 , 10:51 PM
I check too...with the intention of not folding.
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04-09-2012 , 10:52 PM
I'm inclined to c/c because he sounds like the type to turn a lot of stuff into a bluff if you check. And we are way, way ahead of almost all of the stuff that we are beating. Ax is the only hand that has more than 2 outs.

And I would be checking the turn too I think. If he checks the turn back though I would bet the river for value and expect to get looked up by all kinds of stupid hands.
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04-10-2012 , 12:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinLake
I check too...with the intention of not folding.
Best line against this villain AINEC.
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