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44 on a Q6Q flop. 1/2 NL 44 on a Q6Q flop. 1/2 NL

08-28-2013 , 04:01 PM
Been sitting for an hour. I have $250 and im covered by both players. Villan raises in EP to 10. MP calls. I call button with 44. Other than me villain has been raising the most pre. Flop comes Q6Q rainbow. It's checked to me I bet 17. Villan makes it 40. I think a bit and call. Turn is 8. He bets 50. We............

Spoiler:
I folded
44 on a Q6Q flop. 1/2 NL Quote
08-28-2013 , 04:40 PM
foldddd
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08-28-2013 , 04:43 PM
Just fold the flop when he raises you.


The villain is bluffing a lot, but the problem is, even when he is bluffing, there's a ton of bad cards that can come on the turn. You might be ahead, but it's not by much. When you are behind, you are way behind. Wait for a better spot.
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08-28-2013 , 04:54 PM
When you planned your hand and called preflop with this low pair, I assumed your plan was to hit a set and try to stack either player who had showed strength and may be playing high cards. No problem so far.

Flop: You missed. Checked to you and you bet. I would have checked behind because:

1. The originial plan was to hit a set. (you whiffed)
2. You get a chance at spiking a 4 on the turn for free.
3. Two high cards came, that probably hit one of them and they are more than likely trapping on a rainbow flop.

You bet and got raised. You got your answer, let it go.
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08-28-2013 , 05:15 PM
You need to give reads on your villains. It will help us give you better advice. If you don't have reads after sitting for an hour, then now you know what you need to focus on next session.

Your flop bet could only be good if both your opponents are fit-or-fold type players. Otherwise just check it unless you spike a 4.

The flop call is spew. Without reads, i.e. assuming our opponents are "average" 1/2 players, they are probably calling stations, so bluffing is unnecessary and calling a raise is really bad. You generally don't make your money here by making fancy float plays against villains who show strength by check raising -- you make money by value betting the calling stations and bluffing the fit/fold players (the two most common player types here).
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08-28-2013 , 05:27 PM
Yes I forgot about reads I guess. Him and I are the two most aggressive players at the table. He had the biggest stack at the table. That's all I really know
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08-28-2013 , 05:44 PM
If you're protecting your equity on the flop you need to bet bigger. A half pot bet is screaming to get raised by an aggressive preflop raiser regardless of what he has. Now, if he was a fit or fold player then betting that flop to protect your equity is a fine play.

I'd check behind, if it gets checked to you on the turn then you can safely bet to take it down a fair amount of the time.
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08-28-2013 , 05:53 PM
TBH the bet size on the flop is the least of my worries. If he is a thinking player he knows I wouldn't bet full pot on flop with a Q
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08-28-2013 , 06:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dubey
Just fold the flop when he raises you.


The villain is bluffing a lot, but the problem is, even when he is bluffing, there's a ton of bad cards that can come on the turn. You might be ahead, but it's not by much. When you are behind, you are way behind. Wait for a better spot.
that +1. Also if you really want to rep a Q just rereraise to something like 100/120 depending on your read. Given that you see him as agressive that will probably get him off the Hand unless you tried to pull too many moves at this table before.

However, overall best to fold here with calling the worst possible Action imho
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08-28-2013 , 06:20 PM
I should have put this earlier but my thinking in calling flop was is he playing ANY pocket pair like this. Probly not
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