Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
3 bet with AQoff against LAG? 3 bet with AQoff against LAG?

12-03-2011 , 07:19 PM
1/2$ NL at Horseshoe Hammond
Villain: in his mid 30s, Asian, def not a thinker. For example, he eems like the kind who tells himself "Ive got bottom pair AND a gut-shot?! NICEE! (facing a PSB with an all spades board). Of all players at the table, he had been most active and opening the most.
Hero: Im def viewed as being tight by V but I lost a pot to him about 45 minutes earlier where I flop OESP+FD and fired flop and turn and river. He tank called and I muck. Im not sure if he remembers this or not. Im also on my 2nd buy-in, but again, who knows if he notices this.

V starts hand with 225 and Hero with 210$. all other players are irrelevant.

Preflop: One limp in MP and V opens to 8$. Folds to hero in SB and I make it 23$ with AQoff. Looking back, I think this is a bit too small. If you are 3betting here, how much are you making it? He calls, headups.

Flop: Q-10-8r. (49$)
I bet 27$, he calls without much thought (which is also standard for him)

Turn: Q-10-8-7r (103$)
I am not quite sure what I want to do here. There are so many goofy combos this fool could have, but I feel like if i bet hard, like 70-85$, I leave myself with no significant river bet. If i bet too small, hes getting odds with just about ATC's. I make a bet of 45 and he calls after a small amount of hesitation.

River: Q-10-8-7-2r (193$)
HERO?????????????
Ive got 115$ left. I feel like if i go all in Ill rarely get called by worse. The only thing I can see him calling and losing with is KQ/QJ (which seem to be in his 8$ PR raise range.) Maybe put a blocker bet of like 40$? or check/call?

I feel I played this hand not horrible, but bad. How would you have played it?
Do you typically 3bet PF with AQoff OOP vs a V that youre pretty damn sure AQ is ahead?

Spoiler:
River went check, check...I tabled my hand and he had the look like "Damn he has a better Q"...so maybe it was KQ/QJ
3 bet with AQoff against LAG? Quote
12-03-2011 , 07:30 PM
in my eyes the only 2 combos that he would have that beat you are QT and T8s, and he also raised preflop so a player like him would most likely limp with T8 100% of the time and proberbly limp with QT aswell.

much more likely hands are AQ AK KQ KJ QJ AT JJ TT 99. I think with QQ+ this player will get it in preflop.

So yes I think you can shove the river and be good here ALOT of the time
3 bet with AQoff against LAG? Quote
12-03-2011 , 07:44 PM
Uhh, this is why you don't want to 3 bet a (relatively) marginal hand OOP against morons. Note also that there is a player in middle who is yet to act, and people like to limp/call raises in these small games. Be considerate of stack sizes when you make this raise, and see if the player in the squeeze, based on how much they have in their stack and what their typical preflop actions are, is likely to call your PF reraise. If so your problems are extremely compounded.
Consequetly, you are probably not sacraficing a lot of value by just calling here from the blind. If you hit the flop hard enough, you can decide whether or not to take the lead in the betting OOP, or just check call and let your bad opponent (or opponents) hang themselves in a more manageable pot size. As things developed, you are in a pretty marginal spot on a drawy board, and the pot is growing. Your 1pr good kicker is still 1 pr good kicker, it's not the nuts, and while it's likely good, it generally makes me uneasy to stack off with these hands, even against a very bad player.
I'm probably just flatting from the blind, seeing a flop, and might check/call down if I think my opponent likes to fire a lot of barrels with marginal hands in position. I might even consider check raising this flop, but again, you are out of position against a moran, and if he's not folding, you don't have the nuts.
Against this player, I will the majority of the time take the lead in the betting post-flop, but we still did not flop a monster.

Careful with the 3bets preflop against morans from the blinds as a general rule, as well. These guys are not playing a game of cat and mouse with you where you're continually adjusting to eachother's 3 bet/4bet frequency and are mind-read reraising them lol, they are bleeding chips by inevitably calling these raises with marginal hands. The implied odds they aren't being offered preflop with dominated offsuit sucker hands is irrelevant when they outflop you in a bloated pot with some stupid hand while you yourself have to hit a flop, and aren't likely to take it down with a c-bet (and even when you do hit, it's not likely to be very hard). I prefer to keep the pot small OOP against these players without a truly good hand, and you can still make money small balling them from there (much less steal equity against this kind of player, though).

Last edited by mycardsareblank; 12-03-2011 at 07:59 PM.
3 bet with AQoff against LAG? Quote
12-03-2011 , 08:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mycardsareblank
Uhh, this is why you don't want to 3 bet a (relatively) marginal hand OOP against morons.
AQ isn't marginal at all. Just because it isn't a pair it doesn't mean you aren't ahead and by a good margin of his 3 bet calling range. Against these type of players you should 3bet a wider range of hands for value, because they will make the mistake of calling light and stacking off light.
OP make it at least 30$ preflop. Then when he calls you can bet big enough on this coordinated board, that you can shove turn and stack him. As played river is a shove, he looks to be a station even though you didn't say what he had in the hand you barreled 3 streets.
3 bet with AQoff against LAG? Quote
12-04-2011 , 12:11 AM
I'm fine either way with just calling or 3 betting pre. AQo is ahead of his range(and it seems his range won't narrow at all when you 3bet him), but I can understand wanting to keep the pot small oop. Your 3bet size was good, just need to be willing to play for stacks(unless the board hits villains range hard) once you hit top pair. Bet more on flop and turn.
3 bet with AQoff against LAG? Quote
12-05-2011 , 04:21 PM
KQ QJ Q9 maybe even **** like JT and KT call the shove, so obv shove with half size pot bet left

and I wouldn't check call because almost all of his hand have at least some showdown value (except like kj or aj) so shove has to be the best play
3 bet with AQoff against LAG? Quote

      
m