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3-bet with AQ, continue with a c-bet? 3-bet with AQ, continue with a c-bet?

09-12-2016 , 10:47 AM
1/2 club game

V1 (UTG +2, covers) - 30-ish reg. Very loose aggressive, but can spew and win or lose huge amounts in this game. Not necessarily positionally aware when opening pre-flop, as he'll still open pretty wide in early position Thinking player, not a maniac, but opens wide and 3-bets wide. Will also call 3-bets as the PFR a lot. Used to play pretty fit or fold when calling a 3-bet, but recently has opened up a bit in this part of his game.

V2 (MP 250) - 30-ish Asian guy. Unknown to V. Has chips stacked oddly in 5-high stacks.

V3 (MP 300) - 30-ish white guys. Weak-tight.

V4 (SB 400) - Older white woman. Good, tight player. Aggressive when PFR. Will sometimes float but usually in position.

H (HJ 370) - Just sat down, but V1, V3 and V4 should think of me as a pretty good, winning reg. Capable of bluffing, reasonably tight pre-flop maybe a little to call-happy post-flop.

V1 opens to $12. V2 and V3 call. H is dealt AsQc and raises to $50 (should have made it $60). V4 cold calls from SB. V1 calls, V2 and V3 fold.

Flop ($170) 9s7s3d. V4 and V1 check. Hero?

My thoughts - Head's up against just V1 I'd c-bet here. However, V4's cold call concerns me a good deal. I range her on something like most pocket pairs, AK and maybe AQ, AJ or KQ, but those weaker hands are probably a fold for her. I'm not doing well against that range. V1 is calling my 3-bet with probably most of his opening range, and I'd say he's opening around 25% of all hands.
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09-12-2016 , 11:14 AM
I'm tempted to bet 1/2 pot and jam a lot of turns if only called in one spot. We have the As here blocking a lot of the non-made hands that are calling.

If called we can shove 5 A, Q turns for value and 9 spades as semi-bluffs.

I'm actually not sure what turn cards I wouldn't shove. I guess board pairing or T/J aren't great.
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09-12-2016 , 11:42 AM
I think we need Way more info on V4. Do you have a lot of history w her? Does she ever have TT here and would she fold that hand? If we check, and V4 checks turn V1 will be betting his entire range.
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09-12-2016 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by wck117
I think we need Way more info on V4. Do you have a lot of history w her? Does she ever have TT here and would she fold that hand? If we check, and V4 checks turn V1 will be betting his entire range.
I have a lot of history with her. She could definitely have TT here (or JJ or QQ). She could even flat KK or AA, can't remember last time I saw her 4-bet. Would expect her to check her whole range here. I doubt she'd fold to a single bet with a weak overpair, but may not want to play for stacks. That said, pot's already pretty big so she may feel stuck once she calls one bet.

Agreed that V1 will likely be betting if checked to him on the turn.
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09-12-2016 , 12:25 PM
grunch

Yeah, that cold-call is concerning vs your hand. I think this type of preflop cold-call is more like 99-JJ maybe QQ,88, AK, and rarely AQ. Against this range you have ~36% pre and ~22% post. I think AA/KK 4-bet.

You are really the only one who can have AA here, and you could rep it. Plus, you have A blocker. I like a bet, ~100.

What's the plan after this though? Obv, fold to a flop checkraise, but if called, you'll have to soulread then give up or jam turn depending. I jam spades, A, Q turns and probably give up on rest? Eh, I jam a K turn as well. Probably not jamming 2-J turns unless I sensed extreme weakness from villain.
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09-12-2016 , 12:28 PM
Take your free card here, V1+V2's ranges are too strong for a light cbet here. If you know V2 is a nit, you can bet and jam on the flush hitting OTT, but otherwise yeah just check. That cold call is too strong.
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09-12-2016 , 12:52 PM
Cold call sucks .. never go broke with AQ ...

You can't check Flop and then have them believe you hit the flush on Turn IMO .. unless you have a history of this. But would you be checking this Flop with 2 overs and a flush draw? Not most of the time.

I'm pretty much giving up here most of the time. We could get raised in either spot and our stack gets sucked in if they both call, which is very possible IMO.

I want to bet $110, but am inclined to check and see if it gets through. You are early in the session and any bet here looks pretty strong (you are not calling, you are betting). If you can't put very many AK/AQ hands in V4's hands then ...

WAIT .. V4 checked
... Wouldn't she Donk out to protect an over-pair? Or is she expecting a bet from you? This changes things a little for me, but I need to know 'that' information first.

I'm more likely to bet out now that I realized I'm IP .. but I'm still a little leery of pulling it off. GL
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09-12-2016 , 01:09 PM
check
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09-12-2016 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by answer20

WAIT .. V4 checked
... Wouldn't she Donk out to protect an over-pair? Or is she expecting a bet from you? This changes things a little for me, but I need to know 'that' information first.
V4 is a pretty good, but unimaginative, TAG, and I think checking here is probably the "standard" play. Hard to say for sure because this is a weird spot given the cold call, but she knows V1 is aggressive and also probably expects me to c-bet a lot, so she likely expects to see someone bet this flop. She also has a tendency to c-bet too much, so may expect the same from me.
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