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3 barrell bluff after 3bet OOP. Did I punt? 3 barrell bluff after 3bet OOP. Did I punt?

10-02-2023 , 05:06 AM
PF: I think you can just call a fair amount of times. If you raise, you should raise bigger though, I guess 120 is about standard.
Any specific reason why you chose 100 ?

Flop: not a mandatory cbet, but with a few backdoors and an overcard, why not.

Turn: this is the street that I like the least. You basically represent AA, sets or top 2p (right ?), but there are many hands V is still calling with, although perhaps not super happy, like a pair and a SD, a pair and a FD, plus obviously 2p and straights (actually the latter should mostly raise). And you have very little equity when called.

River: as played, 3h is really good for the range you are representing, so I kind of like a shove here, assuming V is capable of folding at least 2p.

Last edited by Niemand; 10-02-2023 at 05:11 AM.
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10-02-2023 , 12:35 PM
You disagree that JTx is a bad flop for the 3!er?

I love the river shove as played though. Almost any value 3! hand, TT+, AQ/AK beat 2 pair OTT and weaker holding like a J or T.
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10-02-2023 , 01:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by deuceblocker
You disagree that JTx is a bad flop for the 3!er?

I love the river shove as played though. Almost any value 3! hand, TT+, AQ/AK beat 2 pair OTT and weaker holding like a J or T.
I guess you are referring to my previous comment. If not, please just ignore what follows

I do agree that JTx is not great for H. My expression that it is "not a mandatory cbet" was kind of an understatement. However, as said, in this specific case, I do not hate a cbet either. The real punt is on the turn, imo.
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10-02-2023 , 01:41 PM
yes im curious why you think JTx is bad for the 3bettor
3 barrell bluff after 3bet OOP. Did I punt? Quote
10-02-2023 , 02:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by submersible
yes im curious why you think JTx is bad for the 3bettor
A could flop would be like Axx, Kxx or maybe Qxx or xxx. JT hits opponents range. There are 2 broadway cards he could have plus draws. It is not particularly good for QQ+, AK, and a lot of bluffs like Axs, Kxs, or 76s or something like that completely miss.
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10-02-2023 , 02:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by submersible
yes im curious why you think JTx is bad for the 3bettor
In spots like this, I tend to reason more like H's hand versus V's range, rather than range versus range. This is suboptimal from a theory standpoint, but I think it works better against the average live player.

So, obviously we cbet this flop as a bluff. But, which part of his range is V folding here? I'd say, those medium PPs with which he calls the 3bet pre, small SCs and AXs, (which we are ahead of), and that's it.
3 barrell bluff after 3bet OOP. Did I punt? Quote
10-02-2023 , 05:59 PM
Well this Is how the hand ended:

Spoiler:

Villain tanks for 1 minute and folds, Hero shows bluff. Table Is on fire now

Last edited by luz4ggro; 10-02-2023 at 06:06 PM.
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10-02-2023 , 07:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by luz4ggro
Well this Is how the hand ended:

Spoiler:

Villain tanks for 1 minute and folds, Hero shows bluff. Table Is on fire now
Well played! At the end of the day sometimes you just have to read the table and the player. Good advertising and hopefully can keep you invited to games of they are private.
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10-02-2023 , 09:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by deuceblocker
A could flop would be like Axx, Kxx or maybe Qxx or xxx. JT hits opponents range. There are 2 broadway cards he could have plus draws. It is not particularly good for QQ+, AK, and a lot of bluffs like Axs, Kxs, or 76s or something like that completely miss.
i dont think this shows that JTx is bad for the 3bettor (i think its good for us)
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10-02-2023 , 09:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Niemand
In spots like this, I tend to reason more like H's hand versus V's range, rather than range versus range. This is suboptimal from a theory standpoint, but I think it works better against the average live player.

So, obviously we cbet this flop as a bluff. But, which part of his range is V folding here? I'd say, those medium PPs with which he calls the 3bet pre, small SCs and AXs, (which we are ahead of), and that's it.
in actuality this is a ton of combos
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10-02-2023 , 09:58 PM
I read all the comments and I stand on this opinion: Turn bet is definitely a check.... but if I decided to bet this turn then this is the best possible river to bluff him off.

If i bet flop, bet turn and overbet river, what value hands do I have? TT, JJ, KK, A3, AA, KJ. Sometimes AQ or Q9 (but I dont think I would go this big) and some times AA. Also I have all the flushes while villain is unlikely to have them.

Villain must ask himself: Is this guy crazy enought to barrel 3 streets with complete air? Im not crazy 3barrelling this board with 88 or A5-

...well I did it this time lol. But its an extremely low percentage of my range that I would use to bluff here, I would prefer other hands obviously with some blocker but it is what it is. I make 1-2 big bluff per 8-10 hour session and the rest I play more standard.
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10-02-2023 , 10:10 PM
the thing is if you bluff here with what you think is a bad bluff candidate you're probably bluffing here with all of the perceived good bluffing candidates too, so while you think its a small percentage of your range thats probably not actually right
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