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3/6: would you 3 barrel here ? 3/6: would you 3 barrel here ?

06-07-2015 , 06:14 AM
25/50hkd game in Macau Venetian, ard 3/6us game.
Effective stack size: 9000, ard 1080us.
Mp tight reg limp, mp2 fish limp, hero HJ (loose agreesive image, but didn't show up trash hand, image was ok) with 57hh ISO to 30, only mp called, HU.
Flop: QcJh3d (75)
Mp check, hero bet 50, mp called.
Turn: 3h (175)
Mp check hero bet 110, mp called.
River: 9d (395)
Mp check hero?

Can also comment on pre, and every street of the hand, thanks !!
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06-07-2015 , 06:36 AM
I wouldn't even 2 barrel to be honest.

Take a free card on the turn. It's a bad barreling card, and I don't expect Qx to fold.

If you do barrel turn, make it closer to pot sized imo. But yeah, I'm not barreling here as trying to get top pair to c/f turn or river when you follow up after a turn c/c just can't be great. You're not gonna win big by getting villains to fold top pair hands.

The run out really doesn't suggest a 3rd barrel.

I don't hate pre-flop. I feel you could fold from HJ and open from CO/BTN, but it's ok.

Btw sure his range isn't only Qx. It also includes KT, but that rivered a straight. T9 whiffed the straight but made a pair and some stations (better read on V?) can call down (I made a pair!). Jx is also possible, but if V is c/c flop and turn, there's just no sense in trying to get him to lay it down on the river imo. It kinda sucks to check the river behind with 7-high and V shows a hand like K9/T9, etc., which you feel would have folded to a bluff.

Eh I guess now that you bet turn, you could bet half pot on river. You know yes, I can dig that. You'll just require V to fold 33% of the time, and half pot is good because he's likely to have two types of hands generally - hands he's not folding to any size bet (top pair+) and hands he's folding to most any bet and that of course beat 7-high (T9, K9, 98, AT, pairs and pairs + draws that turned flush draws, etc). I guess Jx is a wildcard.

Ok I say do it as played - 250 on river.

But check turn behind is better.
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06-07-2015 , 03:28 PM
overlimp pre, ~350 on river as played. dont hate the idea of 250 on turn/jam river either, but probably wouldnt do it if you have a bad image
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06-07-2015 , 04:00 PM
Fold preflop, you're in the HJ with a trashy hand and little reason to think people won't station preflop.

I think it's a bad board to barrel OTF and turn. All his draws are beating you so you are committing to firing off blank turns and rivers. The board hits his range pretty hard. Check back flop and maybe attempt to steal on turns.

Barrelling turn is awful, what do you think he calls flop with then folds OTT?
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06-07-2015 , 04:23 PM
Trying to take this pot on the turn against a player that OP describes as a tight reg is the worst play ever. What hand does he have on the flop that he either bets or c/c to on the flop that he folds to turn aggression on?

Check back on the flop, fold turn OR call turn with the intent of a big river bet or raise.

If you bet the flop and he calls, check the turn and bet or raise the river.

As played, shrug and bet $290 on the river, he folds AJ. If he shows anything better than KQ or worse than AJ (preflop), your reads need work.
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06-07-2015 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jambre
Fold preflop, you're in the HJ with a trashy hand and little reason to think people won't station preflop.

I think it's a bad board to barrel OTF and turn. All his draws are beating you so you are committing to firing off blank turns and rivers. The board hits his range pretty hard. Check back flop and maybe attempt to steal on turns.

Barrelling turn is awful, what do you think he calls flop with then folds OTT?
I agree with you. And if we are barreling turn, it really should only be because we are planning to barrel river... it starts to get spewy though it might not be terrible. One problem is that there aren't that many good river barreling cards because many "scare cards" actually hit villain. Even that 9 will make many one-pair hands, and who knows if villain will station down.
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06-08-2015 , 02:58 AM
Pre is because fish limp and I wanna play a pot IP with him, but turn out reg call fish fold.
Flop I think it's marginal cb, board is good for pfr I think QJ3r, hit a lot of our range like AJ-AK, JJ-AA, can fold out all of villain small pairs and put pressure on his Jx or weak Q. However our hand at this point do not have any equity, is it bad to cb with no equity on flop?
Turn we pick up a bdfd, I wanna fold out all the Jx and some straight draw like 9T, TJ, AJ, and might be able to fold out QTs?..idk...or check back realized our equity better ?
River certainly put him on QK or QT maybe AQ but I discounted that coz he limped. I ended up fire 300 on river, he tanked for like 5 mins and called with KQ. Wanna know if any other sizing would let him fold more easily? Like 400ish to polarize it?
Do u guys think the Riv bet is +ev?
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