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3/5 NL - His line doesn't make sense but he can't be bluffing 5 hands in a row!!! 3/5 NL - His line doesn't make sense but he can't be bluffing 5 hands in a row!!!

04-23-2015 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by agnostia
even if he is bluffing, he can easily be bluffing with the best hand.
Agree, that's why raising may be better than calling.
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04-23-2015 , 06:45 PM
Thanks for all the feedback 2+2. I've learned a lot.

Despite 33 being gone and there is only (1) 3, (1) J, and (3) A out there. It came down to he either flopped a flush himself or had Ace with random spade in his hand and C/R the flop to simply protect his TP. After tanking, I decided to fold because having an ace in his hand with a random spade made more sense and it would have been better to raise the river than calling (Raising > Folding > Calling) since I could have easily had KJ with K of spade in my hand or even QJ with Q of spade.

Spoiler down below.

Spoiler:
I tank folded and he showed 89dd. I racked up immediately and left.
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04-23-2015 , 07:09 PM
Thx for posting, interesting hand. I think raising>calling>folding though based on his bluff frequency. Definitely a non-standard opponent, I enjoyed thinking about the hand a lot more than a "standard" villain.
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04-23-2015 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by eyurus
Agree, that's why raising may be better than calling.
The only winning hands he could be bluffing with would be the case 3 or 22. Any PP that beats a 3 is checking, because what hand are they trying to bluff out?
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04-23-2015 , 10:44 PM
Why do you think this V checks any hands? His HH shows he basically is betting his opponents into submission on every single street.

I don't think this guy checks anything on the river. I think he's a betting machine that forces his opponents to grab their balls and call. I suggest raising to get him to fold his bluffs that happen to be PP, which actually beat us. Of course, I'm open to the idea that I'm wrong.
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04-23-2015 , 11:44 PM
To answer your question more directly, I believe his thinking is more along the lines of, "If I bet the river, he (Hero) can't call with anything except an A or a J and if had either, he probably would have raised flop if he had an A or the turn if he had a J."
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04-24-2015 , 09:16 AM
Not sure why that reasoning would lead him to bet KK
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04-24-2015 , 10:56 AM
In the hands OP described, he bet every street til his opponents folded. I didn't go back and re-read them but I don't think he checked any street in any of them. I think he either doesn't know or doesn't care about showdown value, his line is to continue to bet/put pressure until someone raises, and if we get to that point, then I'll use my actual cards to make a decision.

It's very common for "solid" players to adjust by waiting until they get a very strong hand and then, when they fiiiiiinally get it, what do they do? They raise V before the river and allow him to comfortably fold. Next hand he goes back to what he was doing, printing money because his opponents are nitting it up and letting him know exactly when they have have a big hand and he should fold. In this scenario, V is playing perfect poker. It's actually pretty cool to watch on the rare occasion you see a player that plays like this and players you think "understand the game" often adjust very, very poorly.
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04-24-2015 , 12:39 PM
forget what people might have. Raise with the nuts, because we want to raise with lots of semibluffs and a few bluffs too. Everyone worried about what other people have- let them worry about what we have.
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04-24-2015 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by eyurus
In the hands OP described, he bet every street til his opponents folded. I didn't go back and re-read them but I don't think he checked any street in any of them. I think he either doesn't know or doesn't care about showdown value, his line is to continue to bet/put pressure until someone raises, and if we get to that point, then I'll use my actual cards to make a decision.

It's very common for "solid" players to adjust by waiting until they get a very strong hand and then, when they fiiiiiinally get it, what do they do? They raise V before the river and allow him to comfortably fold. Next hand he goes back to what he was doing, printing money because his opponents are nitting it up and letting him know exactly when they have have a big hand and he should fold. In this scenario, V is playing perfect poker. It's actually pretty cool to watch on the rare occasion you see a player that plays like this and players you think "understand the game" often adjust very, very poorly.
I think you struck this on the nail.

I've been paying more attention to villain's game more lately and he relentlessly put pressure on other players. He will take away betting lead or bet when checked to when the potential scary card hits and once the REALLY scary card comes in (ie: 4 card straight, 4 card flush) he will put you to the test. Players could only make the call when they HAVE it and all the other times when they don't have it or got 3rd, 4th nuts, can't call with them either.
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04-24-2015 , 01:23 PM
Just because the guy bluffs a lot doesn't mean you should call him on THIS run out... FOLD
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04-24-2015 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by WowLucky
Just because the guy bluffs a lot doesn't mean you should call him on THIS run out... FOLD
V reps nothing.
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