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05-22-2014 , 02:44 AM
H: LAG image. Showed two bluffs in the last orbit after opponents folded (held KJo and 97s).
V: Haven't noticed him in any pots yet, but the game just started 2 orbits ago. Seems like a regular.
Effective Stacks: $550

Folded to H in cutoff with 98, who raises to 15. Folded to V in BB, who calls.

Flop (28): Q98

V checks. H bets 15. V check-raises to 45. H thinks a bit, then re-raises to 150. V tanks, finally calls with hesitant body language.

Turn (328): 5

V immediately checks. H thinks a moment and ships it for 385.

I thought V's range is mostly top pair type hands and combo draws. I wanted to play my 2 pair fast due to my recent bluffy image, the fact that I am easily counterfeited, and not likely to improve. I didn't put Q9 or Q8 in his preflop calling range. I expected Q's to raise preflop. 9's and 8's are possible but unlikely, since only two of each are left in the deck. I thought he could have 76, but didn't think it likely he would play it so aggressively. He could have JT, but I figured that would ship the flop (to which I would have folded). So I go all-in to charge combo draws and avoid decisions on a host of terrible river cards.

Am I a pro? Or a fish?

How would you have played differently?
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05-22-2014 , 02:48 AM
I chk back turn, A lot of things got there already. Why not put him on Q9/Q8 you made it 15 from basically the button. Your range is very wide here, thus he probably calls wide in the BB? The only thing calling your ship is most likely better, especially if he is a reg he isn't stacking off with KQ/QJ here. 67 is in his range on the flop, especially with your weak C-bet of 15. I'd C-bet bigger first of all, and probably just flat the initial raise. Chk back turn, eval river.
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05-22-2014 , 04:09 AM
Good hand. A big question is the TJ. If that is out of the picture it certainly helps our plight. I think Id be inclined to agree that most of the time its getting in there on the flop if he had it. However, I don't think that's always going to be the case. He views you as LAG so he may allow you to do the betting here. (I don't like that line if he is doing that but he may not fear the flush draw and perhaps he thinks you will fold if he pushes...which you would). I agree that a good portion of his hand is combo-draws, with straits, gut shots, top pairs, hearts and the like...many of which are in the 11-14 out range, making you the fav in those. A9h also makes sense, which you also are ahead of. I personally don't take out Q9 or Q8 of his range here if he's seen you turn over those bluffs. And there's a small chance he's playing the sets slow as well - which i think is bad but possible. All that said, it feels very close, maybe even 50-50ish.

The only way he calls here correctly is if he is winning. Most everything else he has is a draw in which we lead. He likely folds correctly most of the time no? He's a regular? He could make the error and call I suppose. But giving him a free card seems tough. it really does feel 50-50 ish here and comes down to how likely you think he has that TJ or 56 and how much you want to stack off on a coin flip scenario. I probably do the same thing you did and push, grit my teeth, and hope for the best...
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05-22-2014 , 06:07 AM
Seems fine. I would better the flop bigger on such a draw heavy board.

Sounds like you're being results oriented here. You shouldn't be worried about being committed, you're ahead of V's range on turn.

Maybe you can bet the turn smaller to get action. 250 sounds good.
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05-22-2014 , 07:35 AM
It is an awkward line but i usually just call a raise on the flop. I figure it keeps in hands i am beating that would mostly fold to a rr, allows me to rep a wider range on scare cards if i feel the need, and prevents me from having to fold bottom two when a combo draw decides to shove since u said you were b/r/f'ing. As played I think the shove 67 is a relatively small part of his range and if he did look you up with a one pair hand on the flop you are more likely to get a call on the turn than the river since your range has draws in it, plus if he does have a combo draw you can only get value from it with a turn bet. If you think he will call a smaller than all in bet but fold to all in then i think smaller is better.
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05-22-2014 , 08:02 AM
I don't like the flop bet. The sizing is such a leak...do not ever bet the same amount on the flop as you did pre.

Flat the c/r . I understand you wanting to play off your image but you also do not want to bloat this pot with such a vulnerable hand that could very well be best. Let villain over commit with one pair and yes charge him for the draws.
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05-22-2014 , 11:07 AM
3 bet flop bigger to make a small bet relative to the pot ott. i dont like slowplaying this because there are too many cards that can fall ott that can either kill our action or hurt out hand.
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05-22-2014 , 12:25 PM
I think playing for stacks with bottom two on that flop is quite marginal. There is literally nothing we are way ahead of and lots of stuff that has us crushed.

I may peel here and re-evaluate on turn, but trying to play for stacks against a relatively unknown villain is no good imho.
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05-22-2014 , 11:14 PM
pro or fish. with just those two choices it is --fish.

first you show bluffs to the table. that is a fish for sure.
second you over analyze trying to get the answer you want to get.
third you get it all in here with a hand that cant stand that action.

sorry but you asked.
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05-22-2014 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Thorware
I thought V's range is mostly top pair type hands and combo draws.
You re-raised his check-raise and then he called. Hesitantly or not....QJ is no longer in his range. Wishful thinking bud.
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