Live game at local casino in Sweden.
Villain asian mid 20s never seen him b4 but seemed decent. Deep cg as I am sitting with equal to $1400 with blinds $3/$3 V covers.

I call a fishes raise from UTG of $10 I am on CO with 78ss Btn and Sb calls and Villain BB calls.

Flop 678hh ~$51
Ch to V who donks for $22 and i raise to $60, folds to him who calls rather quickly.
Turn 678[2c] ~ $171
V ch and i bet $110 and he again calls pretty fast

River 6782[Jd]~ $391
He ch and I go for very thin value and bet $280.

He ch and here im very inclined to ch back but then i started to think about his hand alot. The FD miss and str8 (9x, 5x) miss and i was thinking that he was the kind of player to think that all miss and if i bet again i could definetly have a missed draw so he can call lighter. I thought a set he would repop OTF fairly often and str8 pretty much always. Lower 2p he does like this and sometimes i could see him be calling down with 8x otf and ott and then possibly find a herocall river. The J only helpes if he has J8 or maybe like 6Jhh but otherwise its kindof a blank. I think he thinks i ch back all my 2p and even some sets otr as "jack looks scary".

I can see him call river with what bets me: any set he came there with any str8 he might have.

what i beat: lower 2p and hands like KJhh AJhh QJhh.


Pretty unsure about this hand i think its close. Thoughts?

Nh

I misread the board first, thought you had TP and went for a thin valuebet otr with 2nd pair otr lol, yeah this seems fine and not at all that thin for a livegame tbh.

Wtf happened to texting me before you went to the casino though?

Really thought this was way closer than u guys seem to think. What range do u put him on and how many combos of what i beat and what i loose to would you assign him?


Been busy and actually just came back from Dublin couple of days ago but i play there more and more now. Just text me some day when u wanna go there and im probably there ^^

It's a bit of a range merge on the river. I'd expect you to have mostly straights, sets and missed combo draws on the river. Against a thinking villain who is not afraid to hero call, I like the river bet. You are basically hoping he calls with 67, 68, 89, 99, TT.

Against most villains, I think this is a check back on the river as they aren't thinking about what you have, and there just isn't much that V can have to call with on the river here that you beat.

I think you played it well.

He could have a big overpair, AK,AQ and missed flush.

Unfortunately he may only call you with the big overpair but to get the most EV you have to thin bet river and you did that.

Well played

I highly doubt he raises you here very often

9T should of raised turn as there are 2 hearts out there and he is super deep. Don't want a stupid card coming off on river

I'm pretty sure you have the best hand here most of the time unless he has like bottom set.

That said I don't know if he pays off $280 very often. I may of gone on the smaller side but it seems fine. $280 is a pretty big bet and I just don't see 1 pair hands paying this off unless you have a history of bluffing big.

Spot on like im thinking.

I had not been playing vs V before but i for sure knew he was a thinking player. And i was very sure he was thinking about my range in that spot so i think he was the kind of player that could call when draws miss

Works both ways, if he's any good he'll also realize it's an awful runout to bluff river on.

You just have to try and figure out what level he's at I guess

In live this is a good spot for a value bet. Nut straight would've raised before river and sets/smaller 2p would've donked larger to protect plus you have blockers to those anyway. So the most likely hands that we're trying to target for value is something like 99, 98, Jxhh. I think based on that it makes sense to bet smaller, like $200, unless you think betting bigger will make him more likely to bluff catch with those hands.

In games I play. This isn't at all thin. Would get called from super wide range. Including AA KK.

Would expect to never see straight or set.

Read HH again, aces and kings are totally not in BBs range.

I'm guessing villain has some kind of draw, based on the board and the quick calls. Hero should have heard from all straights and sets already. What's hero's read on villain? If villain can bluff, what about betting $110 again to induce a busted draw to bluff? I think all busted hands fold to a 2/3 bet.

A bet like this in villains eyes will definetly look more bluffy than a bet off $110 which just screams valuebet

I know how to read. But thanks for the insight.

U know how to read but u definetly dont know how to handread then. Noone would ever flatcall in BB with 4 callers in between with AA/KK.

Therefore they are not in his range, nirwanda assumed u missread the HH but apperently you are just that bad

Well as an expert hand reader. I would think you would have better read than mid 20's asian. My 3 year old can tell me that.

If you know his calling and 3 betting ranges you should include them in HH

But it's all for not. As this isn't even thin value.

So just because i know something extremely obvious like that he wont flatcall AA/KK preflop on the BB with 3 callers infront that means i know all his range??

You are such a idiot pls dont commentate on msnl if you arent beating 10nl

unl ******s like you are the reason why this forum is dying out

Assuming he has no AA, KK in his range because he is solid enough to 3 bet (at 1/3 level in U.S. at least 10% of player pool has zero 3 bet range). You don't give effective stack. So I can assume he has you covered and you are playing 466 BB deep.

-he is raising turn super deep with the straight. So he can play for stacks.

He can only have 5 different combos of sets. (Assuming he isn't leading or calling on flop with 22) All of which probably raise flop or turn. But we will leave all 5 combos in his range.

River gives him additional 3 combos of sets.

As for 2 pair combos, we need to know what 2 cards are hearts on flop. But he has to hold a J. Discount J-6 -J-7, as he is likely folding most of those combos pre. Almost all his j-6 and j-7 on turn. Give him 8 combos of j-8 he will call pre, flop, turn. (Very unlikely)

In all likely hood. He has no more than 13 combos that beat you on river.

99-6 combos
1010-6 combos
QQ 6 combos
4 combos of Jh's
A-8 8 combos
6-7 6 combos
8-6 6 combos

Plus other bull**** that low limit players will call you with. (Bluff catching)
J-9
9-7
10-7
Ah-xhs...because he is awsome and makes hero call


So as I said before. This isn't thin value.

If he showed up with a winner, good for him. He missed a bunch of value.

466BB deep and can't do combonatrics. And I am the idot.

Poker is dead. Everyone is solid.!!!!!

[QUOTE=VIVEK15;46116524] Noone would ever flatcall in BB with 4 callers in between with AA/KK.


this statement proves you don't know half as much as you think you do. It happens and I've seen it very recently.

Live games are very different in Europe than in the US. In the US, there are many players that "seem decent" that wouldn't 3-bet AA/KK from the blinds over several people (especially KK).

In Europe, I believe the vast majority of players 3-bet QQ from any position. In the US, they don't. I think that's the source of the conflict. The player pools are vastly different. I play with a lot of guys from the UK and it usually takes them a while to adjust to the American games.

In the US, this is an easy value bet on the river.

Absolutely correct. QQ is a slam dunk 3 bet for almost every cash player in European games,especially Scandinavia like Norway and Sweden.

JJ is also a hand many players are 3 bet happy with in the games i sit in.

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So if they are 3 betting correctly. Then we can assume he would also raise sets and straights post flop.

Giving him almost zero combinations of hands that beat our value bet. Only a few weird combos of J-8. He would have to call pre, call flop (fairly easily), call turn (less likely).

If you can't value bet here. Then we should be bluffing a ton.

Generally, I would also 3-bet QQ any where ACCEPT against the uber nit. (and JJ against the right player)

A week ago I sat next to OMC type. I don't think I've EVER seen him raise pre. He will just call, call, call, see the flop and THEN bet or raise with an over pair. Super easy to play against. Ok great, accept that a middle aged female sat down next to my right, limped from middle pos. and called down only to show AA. Then said to dude next to her, "I don't like to raise AA." Well, you know what, she didn't like to raise KK either, cause she did the exact same thing later only to catch a 2 outer on a JJx flop.

Is there no such thing as Euro-nit? lol