The game was in public poker room in Macao, 200/400 Hongkong dollars, approximately 25/50 dollars. My stake is about 60000 Hongkong dollars. The table looks tight, all players look at least regular. I play about two hours before this hand:

UTG(player A) open 1600 Hongkong dollars,(big open, normal open size is 1200). A looks like a pretty good player claiming he has played over 10 million hands online, plays few hands before this hand that day. A covers me. Two other players B and C call 1600. I have JhQh on big blind, I call.

Flop 5h 7c Th. A check. B bet 5000. B is also a very decent player, I put him on bid hand with that size of bet. C fold. I call. A call.

Turn 8h. A donk bet 16000. B think for a while and fold. Q1: what to do? I call.

River 4d. A allin, cover me. I have about 37400 behind. Q2: what to do?

Thanks.

Wow. What Ah without another heart floats that flop. AhAx should lead surely. What hand do you even beat? 67h? That should bet or raise flop though. So you beat no value and it's hard for him to have a bluff except 3 weirdly played AhAx? Probably a sick fold? You have lots of nut flushes yourself here with your line. Also having the Jh you block a bunch of worse flushes. Terrible card removal. Pre you could raise but obviously call is totally great too.

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How about raising flop with this hand and similar draws as well as sets? You have to raise the sets as board is soaking wet and you have all 9 sets in your range. so you need some flop raise bluffs and this one looks perfect with no sdv and a ton of equity. And if you say 3x or 4x the bet then the nfd has to fold.

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Flick it in

Why flick it in?

Also on flop it's better to raise the qj draw than the ace draw as if u raise the ace draw and he 3b it's an utter disaster. So if u raise these worse draws and all sets u are probably nicely gto balanced. So I like flop raise interested what ppl think of that

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Foreword #1: next time, please include the number of players and the pot size on each street.
Foreword #2: I've never played this high, nor in Asia fwiw.

So, we are starting the hand with ~150bb, correct?

Preflop and flop seem more or less standard.

OTT, I'd probably shove, but don't hate calling.

As played turn, I call river.
It's true that V doesn't have many lower flushes (basically only 76hh and 97hh, I'd say). However, he may be bluffing with a naked Ah, or perhaps even overvaluing a straight (effective bet on the river is ~ pot size, right ?).
At 150bb deep, if we loose with 3rd nut flush, and V isn't a nit, it's just a cooler for me.

I'd rather raise flop with the nfd.
I doubt we make the nfd to fold if we raise in this spot.

What Ah hand gets to the river assuming the guy is competent? ATo, AA., really? I can't name a sensible hand. So yeah only chance is an overvalued straight. But you have all the but flush in your own range so you don't need to call with this flush I think.

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This flop is almost a range check 4-ways, imo, so yes, AhAx is in V's range.
AhTx is a bit loose of an open from UTG, but if V does open it, then the line post flop makes sense to me.
If V is particularly aggressive, he might float flop and lead this turn with AhKx or even AhQx.

Okay interesting, I assumed the pfr is betting TT 77 and some over pairs here like 2/3rd pot plus some high equity bluffs.

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At these stakes i think we just have to mdf it. You say QhJh has bad removal but i think it has great removal for hands like AhQh AhJh , KhQh, KhJh , V opens 4x which is higher than usual, does he open this sizing with hands like low suited Ax? Probably not, although we cant assume cuz sample size lol. Lets just say for the sake of argument that he is close to nutted preflop, his main value would be AhKh while having a ton of bluffs like AhAx , AhKx, AhQx

If he has it then fine, your playing 25/50 its gonna be a swingy game, reload and move on.

Then he would have a bet sizing tell. Shouldn't you open all hands in a given position the same size?

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Hey man im just going off with op’s description of V, his 4x utg seems strong since usual sizings are 3x, like i said sample size lol so i could def be wrong.

Main point is that V can have bluffs so folding top of our range is not recommended.

Q1 - I think I raise turn. If I'm doing the math right, you have about a 1.5x pot bet left when V bets. I think I just jam here. If we're losing to a better flush, so be it.

V is basically repping exactly AKhh or A2hh.

It's impossible for him to have AQhh, AJhh, AThh, A8hh, or A5hh, and I would think he'd have c-bet the flop with all his AXhh, especially A9hh, A6hh, A4hh or A3hh, or bet smaller on turn.

We beat every other hand that isn't a better flush.

Q2 - Call. I'm not folding the 3rd nuts when there are so many straight draws that came in, V has so much TT-AA in his range, and we're getting almost 2:1.

Decision point is the turn. Q2 isn't a valid question really. If we would never consider folding rivers, we should just jam turn.

Pot is ~37000 HKD on turn. If we jam our remaining 53K in, V gets 9-5 to call and I think he has to fold 55/77, KhKx. This is obviously good for us whenever we can pickup FE in this situation.

The river call is easy getting 7-4. If he has AhKh, which is what he's repping, it's the one logical combo beating us here. We cannot fold at this price.

I think I just can't see him calling flop with a gutshot that made a straight. No open ender made one I think?. And I can't see him having a lower flush. And I don't understand why over pair check calls this flop. And I can't see a float multi way with random AhKx Qx hand. So in my mind he has to have a nut flush in his line. And even if not I just can't see what worse hand that gets there bets for value on the river. We can fold about half our range on the river and this is not exploitable. I feel this hand is in the bottom half of our range. But I think everyone disagreed with me so presumably people will play differently to my assumptions!! So perhaps I'm just wrong lol.

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Since op posted this there’s a near 99.9% chance that he called and lost to the nut flush.

It's four ways to the flop. V1, the PFR checks, then V2 bets, and hero calls. It'll be hard for V1 to love raising there, with just 1P. Everything from TX to AA is just going to call.

V1 probably doesn't have very many straights when he opens UTG, but hero could have some, as well as a lot of 2P. 98, 86, and 64 were all OESDs on the flop. V1 could maybe have 98s here, or could just be bluffing with a hand like AhKx, AhQx, AhTx.

V's all-in jam on the river is somewhat polarized to the nuts or nothing, and we're not going to have very many better hands than QJhh when we flat call in the BB, behind two other flat callers. We're at or very near the top of our range, not the bottom. The only better hands we'll have here are KXhh.

Thanks for all the recommendations.

The result is I tank for several minute and call the river. A shows Ah4h.

After playing a couple of days there, I regard it as a bad call, but not sure about it.

Another question. If we know everyone on the table plays very tight, can we fold JQs preflop on big blind, HU, 3 players and 4 players respectively?

It's not a bad call. It's just a cooler. You got to the river with the 2nd best hand you'll ever have there. UTG can have some better hands, and some bluffs here. You can't call the turn and then fold on the river, the way this was played.

Maybe we could fold if he bet flop, bet turn, and bet river, or if he check-raised turn, and jammed river.

Ok this is where we see it differently. I think AA is a mandatory cbet, with or without Ah. This hand should be ahead on a wet board even multi way. With suited ace check makes sense because if you cbet and get raised it's a disaster. So we disagree on villain range on the turn. And we block almost all the non ace flush draws.

I don't think hero calls flop with a straight draw. Like I said he'd have to call with a gut shot to hit a straight! So our river range is just flushes as slow playing a set is terrible.

But yeah the answer depends on what the two players ranges are. With the rangers you assign it's a call agreed

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Surely not? Good price and closing action. It's call or 3b bluff. HU maybe more a 3b as you get worse is to call

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From a GTO perspective - 100bb deep - JQs in BB is a fold pre multiway with all the action in front and only a call if deeper. I would never fold this hand pre unless villains are very good. Since the open is pretty big and we have around 150bb I probably wouldn't fold this pre - but it might be the best play.

The solver likes to call 10% of the time - 3b 10% of the time - and fold 80% of the time at 100bb.

At 200bb the solver likes to call 80% of the time- 3b 10% of the time - and fold 10% of the time.

How are these people acting first when you are big blind?

I'd donk bet turn and maybe fold to a raise, but unlikely.

I'd expect to run into the nuts a lot if facing a lot of action. Only way i'm folding is villain never bluffs which is possible, but i'd have to be at the table to figure it out. I usually over fold in live poker because people underbluff.