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12-16-2014 , 06:17 AM

gaijinuronin

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25/50 euro 9 handed

tight reg openning 150 UTG(8k euro)
fish (5k euro) calling station(with VPIP 50% ) calls in UTG+4
decent reg calls UTG+5

I am in BB with AQo and a 4k stack .
i just lost a pot 2 hands ago and waiting for button to reload to 100BB

Giving UTG raiser a range of

a)99+,aq+
b)88+,aj,kq

do u squeeze?when.. a) or b) ? ..!
and whats your sizing?

what about UTG blocking A,Q many times ...how u factor that?

(asume fish calling like 30% of times my squeze if UTG folds and 50% if somehow UTG cals)

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12-16-2014 , 09:50 AM

NeverScaredB

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Don't squeeze vs either range. We torch too much value whether he flats or 4b his continuing range.

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12-16-2014 , 10:26 AM

gaijinuronin

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i have quite big equity advantage against fish and the 2nd caller. calling preflop and playing OOP against 3 people here i also dont like so much

i have a tightish image and i will never get 4 bet light/bluff

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12-16-2014 , 02:37 PM

NeverScaredB

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Originally Posted by gaijinuronin

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

1,047,930,048 trials (Exhaustive)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
Axqy	35.60%	277,274,172	191,554,716
99-AA,aq,ak	64.40%	579,101,160	191,554,716

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

1,664,359,488 trials (Exhaustive)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
Axqy	47.41%	684,553,248	208,914,528
88-AA,aj-AK,KQ	52.59%	770,891,712	208,914,528

We have a positional disadvantage and an equity disadvantage. We get to fold all the hands we dominate, though!

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12-16-2014 , 03:48 PM

The Muffin Man

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I don't think PFR should really ever be calling a pot sized 3bet against a tight player with 80bb in this spot. Assuming he plays 4bet/fold, how often is he folding? Mucking 88-TT, AJ, KQ, AQ seems pretty reasonable to me. That would mean he folds ~63% of the time assuming he opens the 2nd range. If the players behind are loose and bad, I think 3bet may be the best play.

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12-16-2014 , 08:33 PM

hyp0h

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Does the UTG player have a limping/reraising range? If he does, his UTG opening range becomes much weaker.

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12-17-2014 , 03:44 AM

Bad Lobster

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Is UTG tight only before flop, or both before and after? There's more than one kind of tight player, and you'd want to go into the flop with different pot sizes depending on which he is.

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12-17-2014 , 03:47 AM

NeverScaredB

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Originally Posted by The Muffin Man

Find me the guy who folds TT here with two players with weak ranges behind in a live cash game and I'll find you a guy without a pulse.

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12-17-2014 , 05:32 AM

DjSkyy

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if it's € or £ i squeeze here every single time.

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12-17-2014 , 12:24 PM

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The Muffin Man

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Originally Posted by NeverScaredB

Find me the guy who folds TT here with two players with weak ranges behind in a live cash game and I'll find you a guy without a pulse.

To a pot sized 3bet (775), I'd fold TT here.

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12-17-2014 , 01:47 PM

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NeverScaredB

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Originally Posted by The Muffin Man

To a pot sized 3bet (775), I'd fold TT here.

Check your pulse.

Also we should probably be continuing somewhere closer to 50% of our UTG range when our opponent is getting 1:1 on a squeeze, tempered a little bit for players behind. But folding 63% is probably bad.

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12-17-2014 , 02:00 PM

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The Muffin Man

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I've never had a GTO approach to live poker and I don't think one should. You'd certainly be printing money taking this line against me.

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12-18-2014 , 03:06 PM

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Renton555

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There is quite a bit of isolation value and value-value in 3-betting this hand if you can establish some specific weakening conditions for UTG. If he's weak tight or likely to limp big hands then he will simply be crushed by a strategy of making it like 700 and folding to further action.

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12-18-2014 , 10:19 PM

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gaijinuronin

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UTG doesnt have a limping range first positions
he will always continue with jj+,ak against my squeeze because of my tight image in a bigger game that he knows i play only when have a fish

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12-18-2014 , 11:26 PM

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TimeBomb

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What's wrong with flatting the top of our range? We complete the action for only 100 more and fish are keeping us company.

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12-19-2014 , 06:37 AM

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Renton555

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Yeah, looks like a call then.

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01-01-2015 , 02:09 AM

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Kyle Saunders

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AQo plays pretty poorly oop against 3 opponents.

I would think 3 bet or fold are fine.

Calling is the worst option I think.

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01-01-2015 , 05:07 PM

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DGAF

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It's too good a squeeze spot (and too good a hand- but not good enough to gii) to squeeze imo. No shame in beefing up that flatting range/playing a hand underrepped/keeping the fish in.

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