Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
0NL: how ballsy am i? 0NL: how ballsy am i?

02-06-2011 , 12:39 AM
playing 1/2 and been at the table for only a couple orbits. the hand before this i was caught bluffing on the river so i lost the pot and hadn't topped off my stack yet, so i'm only sitting w/ 115... one more thing.. villain in this particular hand is same villain who looked up my river bluff on the last hand with middle pair.

someone straddles to $4, utg limps, hero (utg1) has 55 and raises to 16, everyone folds to the guy in the straddle who calls, limper folds somehow.

Flop: ($39) KT4r

villain checks, Hero bets 25, villain calls.

Turn: ($89) 9c, (putting 2 clubs on board).

villain checks, Hero checks.

River: ($89) Ac

villain bets 37, Hero raises 37 to 74 and is all in, villain folds.

thoughts on all streets appreciated.
02-06-2011 , 12:46 AM
Just plain stupid! Look at the odds you are getting him, I'm shocked he folded.
02-06-2011 , 12:59 AM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

yeah i mean your giving him like almost 4.5 to 1. i cant believe he folded either....the time to bluff would have been on the river
02-06-2011 , 01:27 AM
Sorry, I call bs on this one.
02-06-2011 , 01:34 AM
this is no bs and i flashed my buddy my cards who happen to be sweating me that particular hand. and fwiw, i knew he was going to fold on the river, hence the shove with little to no delay.

replay the hand and ignore the fact i have 55 and tell me what you'd think my range is on the river for shoving over his lead. now ask yourself how can he call?
02-06-2011 , 01:43 AM
keep playing like this and you'll find out very quickly
02-06-2011 , 01:46 AM
i'll find out how ballsy i am very quickly
02-06-2011 , 02:03 AM
Don't post results, post only the portions of the hand up to the decision point, this will elicit good advice.

Secondly, with no reads beyond the fact that this villain will look up river bets with middle pair, I think you got very lucky on this hand, that he somehow got the river with worse than a pair of fives (no way this villain is folding better than 55 facing $37 more into a $200 pot).

Lastly, I think that this was a very poorly played hand on all streets.
02-06-2011 , 02:18 AM
villain obv had better than 55. he muttered something about i musta hit the ace this time. and that's what i wanted him to think. he probably had a weak ten, like JT or QT. and would [accurately] think my bluff range here is close to nothing, which is why i can make this play w/ some degree of confidence.
02-06-2011 , 02:21 AM
02-06-2011 , 02:22 AM
i meant, the time to bluff is the turn...but this whole hand was played poorly imo
02-06-2011 , 02:23 AM
and fwiw villain just randomly cut out 37 chips, it just so happened to be exactly half my stack. this was certainly not his intention. it is more likely that he was unaware of my stack size up until i raised him all in. and his range at this point is more likely to b/f the river than to b/c given the action, board texture, and history.
02-06-2011 , 02:28 AM
in general, he should either be pushing all in, check/calling, or check/folding, depending on what he has. villain instead chose to bet a non-all-in amount. i am literally exploiting his bet-sizing mistake by getting the last bet in, let alone the fact that it was a glorious card for me to bluff shove.

he shouldn't have turned his bluff catcher into a bluff. meh.
02-06-2011 , 02:30 AM
No way he has u beat, that muttering **** is for his deception.
02-06-2011 , 02:40 AM
villain is not bluffing here. there are no draws on the flop that missed. so what does villain check/call c-bet w/ that leads this river that DOESNT have me beat? like he doesn't have a busted flush draw, no busted straight draw, likely wasn't floating me out of position with complete air (although possible), so what does that leave for his check/call our flop c-bet range? MARGINAL HANDS. MIDDLE PAIRS. POCKET SEVENS. JTo. none of THESE hands can stand a river raise, especially at this stack depth where i obv have little to no fold equity (implying my hand strength can compensate for my alleged lack of fold equity).

he obv should be pushing all in w/ some of his stronger bluff catchers to merge with his value range and maybe check and let me bluff w/ some weaker ones, but for the most part should not have a bet range that does not contain an all-in and i am punishing him for trying to make me a believer of his garbage betting line.

Last edited by ADHDeezNUTZ; 02-06-2011 at 02:45 AM.
02-06-2011 , 03:16 AM
you should be ashamed of yourself.
02-06-2011 , 03:47 AM
you can use all sorts of rationalization to justify your play based upon the range you represent by taking this line. actually your rationale is fine vs. a thinking player.

the problem is that you are rarely up against a thinking player in live 1/2. in 95% of hands playing 1/2, the other person is only paying attention to their own two cards.

you are never folding out an ace here. a king will probably know he is beat and just (inexplicably) call anyway a huge percentage of the time. sometimes a T will do the same.

you got lucky this time, but this sort of play will not ever be profitable long term while playing live 1/2.
02-06-2011 , 04:20 AM
This isn't ballsy. This is a donk move to get all your chips in so you can go home.

Then you tell anyone that listens how unlucky you are. How the cards never go your way
02-06-2011 , 07:52 AM
Spew on all streets.

Preflop instead of taking a cheap flop with a draw, you bump it up against an habitual calling station. Let's be honest, he didn't call down your bluff from the previous hand cause he had a read on you, he called because "I'm a calling station and puppies are cute, I like kittens too". Seriously, that's his level of thinking.

Flop cbet is okay causeyou can rep the king, and hey this guy won't flop with unpaired hole cards something like 70% of the time. Presence of a king and a ten on the flop though does put a lot of straight draws out there, which leads me to want to he to showdown as cheap as possible. No PPs/Kx/Tx/Ax or XY (where Y hit bottom pair on the flop) are folding.

Turn play looks good.

River play is burning money; you got pretty lucky this guy folded.
02-06-2011 , 08:41 AM
My first inclination was to delete this thread because it is terrible in so many ways. However, I'm locking it instead so that it can serve as an example of what a thread shouldn't be.
Closed Thread Subscribe
...

      
m