Okay as stated. Given my image. I think he is almost never folding AK, and 10+.

You still like jamming?

I assume you prefer flat and setmine.



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If I jam. He folds hands I have best equity against. And snap calls when I am beat.

Doesn't hand play better as a setmine?

Raising $150, he may call lighter and make mistakes postflop. Plus I still get benefit of him folding suited Aces, A10, AJ, KQs, even hands like 10js, and qjs.

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Are you folding to guy who has been super active and squeezing alot!!!!

If you hold 10+ AK, and there is $300 in pot dead money?

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Elasticity as it relates to bet sizing is the measurement of effect of sizing as it relates to decision making

So say someone has AK on K272Qr. Pot size $20. You bet $1. He is always continuing. You bet $1 million. He is always folding. He is elastic to sizing.

Same spot but villain has 22. You bet $1. He is always continuing. You bet $1 million. He is always continuing. He is inelastic to sizing.

This is a convoluted way of showing elasticity but as you can imagine most people are inelastic to how much you 4bet pre flop when they have AA. However, when they have JJ, they are very elastic.

So when we are trying to fold out elastic portions of ranges we usually want to choose a larger sizing.

Here, unless villain did not realize he had a raise option pre, he is usually capped at mostly elastic holdings (like TT-JJ, AQs and such) However, lol live poker.

It's a term used by economists. Elastic means the more it costs, the less people buy. Ex: Bubblegum now costs $20/pack. Less bubblegum is sold.

In poker, elasticity relates to the strength of hands continuing to a bet. For example, a 1/2 pot bet might get 50% of a range to fold whereas a pricier, full pot bet gets 85% of a range to fold. That's an elastic calling range.

Conversely, if V continues with 50% of his holdings regardless of bet size, then it's inelastic.

Thanks guys,

Got to dumb it down for the Irish in me.
Thought that's what you meant.

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So still want to know what rec player is folding, to aggro image.

He would have to call off $371.

Are we calling his jam for $221?

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You're not going to be able to find a reliable answer to your first question.

Calling the 221 and getting there every time.

If I could get 10 answers, it may help lean to a semi reliable answer.

In your estimation what is passive rec calling with? Applying my image.

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Your V might be floating around the universe Memento style for all we know. To a lesser extreme, it's also possible he didn't even know he could raise an all-in the first time and flatted AA. You can't find an answer because we really have no clue on Vs perception of things and it matters if looking for reliability.

Okay I get it.

Cramming is better than raising $150. Even though we have no estimations of what are fold equity is.

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It's interesting and cool to talk about, but how can we find a consensus play for a preflop spot featuring three different players back raising in the same hand in a large protected pot (no dead money)?

Great line by the way.

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I feel like you're applying his range on the shove to his range on the flat of $39. He had a chance to reraise but didn't, so yeah his range is a little lower but that's good because you're more likely to take it down with any sort of raise. (If he knew raising was an option, which there is some chance he didn't based on his question after your raise, but at the time of your decision on the $39 you don't know this). I don't think much folds the 150 that is ahead of you or flipping. But I think you are overestimating that TT/JJ/AQ/AK are definitely calling the 400. You say he is not doing high-level thinking, so he is not sitting there going "Hmm I am getting almost 2:1 against a spazzy player and his perceived range for me is ______.". If he has that subset of hands that has you notched or flipping he might be thinking " Oh ****, a $400 bet?? I don't want to lose $400 with JJ ugh. Maybe he is bluffing but it's just not worth it."

When you bet $150 he may be thinking "Ha I have a good hand and this guy is trying to get a cheap steal with all that dead money, I think I could be ahead and maybe he will just fold his junk if I shove right here."


That's what I meant by "scramble his ranging" because you say yourself it is primitive. There's a point for rec players where the absolute size of a bet starts to matter more than the pot odds.

The 150 bet might also get called by AJs, ATs and all sorts of stuff that you do not want in that would pretty easily fold the 400. The 150 is giving him like 2.5:1 to call so he might be right to call with more marginal bands that he could still have and that you want out.

Well done, best argument for shipping yet.

Though still not sold risking $371 is correct. Think raising $150 leaves us in better spot, with more possibilities available. Although it does create a more complex situation

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Well done

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Agree with this, players who call initially then when more $ in the pot and everyone in front of them just called the reraise, then repop it all in have 88 or 99 specifically.

I think jamming it in can be good here, although high variance and not something I would do personally. V1 looks like AK/AQ from the way you described him and the way he didn't come over the top of that shove. With all the callers in this hand it's likely that a couple of his outs are probably gone. That's the problem with hands like AK in this spot, your theoretical equity is higher than what your actual equity is, if that makes sense.

Fair enough, but risking $371 to win $99 (expected EV vs shortie)...our fold equity + hand equity has to be awful high. As we are isolating the Top end of his PFR range, and as stated before. His PFR range is rather tight to begin with. only expect him to call with AK, and pairs. Which is not the range I want a call from. The more non pair hands that call the better my equity.

If we are shoving. I realley need to get 1010, JJ to fold. As I expect he is folding AQ and worse. Which is leaving only AK in his range, and some poorly played QQ-AA which is discounted.

If shoving narrows his range to just AK, I am loving result.

However, I do not believe my fold equity is that high. And if people that where at table (more than 1 reading this) would chime in. They would concur. I have less fold equity than a crazy asian at this point of night.

This is reason why I didn't shove. The more combos of unpaired over cards he has in his range. The higher my equity is. As it is still very likely he has 10,JJ, and maybe QQ in his range.

Hero calls

K-k-j flop

Turn and river no help. Game over.


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