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2-5NL @ Mohegan Sun AKsooted OTB vs. Asian kid 2-5NL @ Mohegan Sun AKsooted OTB vs. Asian kid

02-19-2017 , 06:47 PM
VILLAIN is a reggy Asian kid I see @ Mohegan almost every time I am there, usually wearing a hoody. We don't tangle much and probably view eachother as solidish. Decent hand reader but is a bit spewy IMO with his draws. Here is an example of him being spewy. Some Asian kid limps UTG, I have QQ in EP and raise to ~$25. Someone calls after me, then VILLAIN calls next up. Action back to UTG who pops it to ~$125 (he started hand with like 300ish but for some reason I thought he had >500 because he was sitting in 9 seat and I was in the 1 or 2 seat so my view was kind of blocked by dealers arms). I elect to call with QQ, next guy calls and VILLAIN calls. Flop is K T 9 with a FD and UTG kid shoves all in for ~$145. I look at the two guys behind me and they don't seem too strong and UTG was spazzy in previous hands so I decide to look him up and call the $145. Next guy folds and VILLAIN calls. Turn was either a board pairing T or 9 or maybe it was just a lowcard blank. I check and VILLAIN checks in dry sidepot. River was a superblank 2 or 3 and we both check. (River I am sure about because the guy next up after me who folded on flop started spazzing because he claimed he folded a fullhouse of 22 or 33 and he only had like ~250 to start the hand LOL LIVE POKER). UTG tables AJ, I show QQ, I don't recall if VILLAIN tabled his hand here or just claimed he had 67sooted but either way he was clearly light as hell here to be overcalling with worse than QQ, especially when I'm pretty sure the midpair card (ten) paired on either turn so he was certainly on some draw. He is a bit on the loose side preflop and capable of openraising wider than the average TAG with sooted connectors etc.

This hand I start with about $1100 and VILLAIN has about the same amount.

On to the hand in question. VILLAIN opens from MP (I think lojack) to $20. Some donk recreation player calls from the cutoff and I'm OTB with AK and I reraise to $80. Folds to VILLAIN who calls and cutoff folds to heads up to the flop.

Q85

He checks, I bet $100 bill, he calls pretty quick.

Turn A
He checks. I tank for a bit and think of betting but for some silly reason elect to check because I think I'm not going to get action from possible PPs like TT,JJ,99 that may have stubbornly called the flop but there's a high % chance he would call a river bet on a blank if turn checks through because he may view me as weak. The main reason I checked was because we were pretty deep and I really don't want to get check raised huge here by a monster e.g. AQ or sets or other rando 2 pairs when I have very high equity and could possibly take a free card to improve. Overall in retrospect I think turn check was weak but I ended up doing it anyways so the real question comes on river play.

River J and he pretty quickly fires out $275 in green chips into pot of ~385

I'll post results later if people want after some discussion. Thanks in advance.
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02-19-2017 , 07:22 PM
Because you checked the turn and with the history, you need to call the river. A lot of players won't put you on an ace and this looks like a steal attempt. If he had it or got there, don't worry about it.
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02-19-2017 , 07:39 PM
Snap river I agree.
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02-19-2017 , 08:00 PM
Easiest call ever. Sorry he had AQ
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02-19-2017 , 08:11 PM
Yes easy call, why do you think the turn check is weak? I think on the turn you are either way ahead or way behind, and if he raises your turn bet it really puts you in a tough spot to continue.
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02-19-2017 , 09:14 PM
Snap call and win the moneyz.
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02-19-2017 , 09:42 PM
This is actually a fold. You think he decided to turn q10 or j10 into a bluff when it looks like hero gave up on the turn....... medium pairs are possible I suppose

He can't have a worse ace for value. And we block a ton of missed flush draws.

He could be value betting kq, but we have the king heart plus I think a lot of ppl still check that on the river in a 3bet pot

Last edited by Tiltyjoker; 02-19-2017 at 09:54 PM.
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02-19-2017 , 10:35 PM
Well at least the majority of people think it's a call. I called.
Spoiler:
Td9d good
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02-20-2017 , 12:39 AM
NH.

Well, now you know that he's a huge fish. Time to start bumhunting him.
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02-20-2017 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by BackDoorFlush
NH.

Well, now you know that he's a huge fish. Time to start bumhunting him.
Is he really that fishy? I mean he kinda owned me this hand IMO. And every hand I've played with him ever in my life.
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02-20-2017 , 02:07 AM
Bet the turn. $230. V isn't calling a river bet with a smaller PP now that AK got there anyway.
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02-20-2017 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by allinonriver
Is he really that fishy? I mean he kinda owned me this hand IMO. And every hand I've played with him ever in my life.
Calling a 3! OOP with T9s is pretty bad. Calling to hit a gut-shot OOP is even worse. He didn't out-play you, he luck-boxed you.

You can only fold the river if the guy never bluffs. You would need to play multiple sessions with the guy to know that. It's possible that the guy is just a monkey calling station fish, who only bets when he has "it". Cuz that is how he played this hand.
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02-20-2017 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by allinonriver
Well at least the majority of people think it's a call. I called.
Spoiler:
Td9d good
That is actually why you need to call river. He did not flop call purely to hit his gutshot. He called with an idea to get creative later in the hand.
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02-20-2017 , 11:04 AM
Snap call. I like the turn check for the reasons you list. You have a ton of outs to bail you out if villain is ahead. Part of the reason you check the turn is to call all bets on the river.
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02-20-2017 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by allinonriver
Well at least the majority of people think it's a call. I called.
Spoiler:
Td9d good
NH. He's bluffing river hearts, clubs, and maybe nines/fours. Never fold here just because he happened to back into a 3-outer.
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02-22-2017 , 09:59 AM
Anybody think betting turn >>> checking turn? Hand would have played much differently I think.
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02-22-2017 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BackDoorFlush
Calling a 3! OOP with T9s is pretty bad. Calling to hit a gut-shot OOP is even worse. He didn't out-play you, he luck-boxed you.

You can only fold the river if the guy never bluffs. You would need to play multiple sessions with the guy to know that. It's possible that the guy is just a monkey calling station fish, who only bets when he has "it". Cuz that is how he played this hand.
It obviously depends on how deep you are and the 3bet range. But it can actually be pretty bad to fold a hand as strong as 109s to a 3bet even OOP. 107s actually is prob on the fringe of being a call depending on stacks and how good 3bettor is (personally i'm too sloppy post to defend with 107s but its reasonable.)

(lighting $ on fire ofc vs the scrubs who 3bet only QQ+, AK)

Last edited by Tiltyjoker; 02-22-2017 at 07:08 PM.
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02-22-2017 , 10:04 PM
<---scrub who only 3bets QQ+
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02-22-2017 , 10:33 PM
I'm checking turn only to induce action from villain. I think it's better to bet for value in this circumstance though.

As played need to call river because of the turn check.
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02-23-2017 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by venice10
Because you checked the turn and with the history, you need to call the river. A lot of players won't put you on an ace and this looks like a steal attempt. If he had it or got there, don't worry about it.
Damn i never see you respond to posts in this forum...
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02-23-2017 , 12:28 PM
Which Mohegan Sun is this?
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02-23-2017 , 12:54 PM
Grunch. I'm folding.

Your history shows he's spewy / willing to call down light. It doesn't show anything about him making moves or bluffing. He went check-check on you twice - admittedly with the positions switched - in the first hand you describe.

I'd need to see him as capable of making a bluff before calling this bet. He's not doing this with AT. It's two pair or better or a bluff, and I haven't had reason to think he'd bluff based on what you described.

Only things that might move me toward a call would be that he's solid and that he bet quickly (often a tell that it's a bluff). But based on what you described, not enough for me to call.
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02-23-2017 , 03:12 PM
Mohegan in CT. If you play there often you will certainly know this villain because he's there every single time I've ever been there over the last year or so. There are a few people who fit his description but this guy knows most of the regs on first name basis. He wears hoody a lot.
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02-23-2017 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by allinonriver
probably view eachother as solidish
Might want to work on that read. V's flop action was spew.
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02-23-2017 , 05:15 PM
Hand 1:
Pre-Flop: I'd live to just see you re-pop after the UTG limp-reraise. Typically I think limp-reraises from fish are either the Nuts (QQ+ usually KK+ and AK) if they're full stacked or like 66-JJ, AK if they're short stacking. If you think he's spazzing out or he's at like <75 BB just get it in. The VILLIAN almost never has a better hand because he wants to go 4 ways to a flop. Calculating equity you need to be ahead about 42% of the time against UTG to shove.

Flop: This is tough but I think a call expecting to fold turn shoves is ok. VILLIANs range here is like 77-JJ, QJ, KQ, AQ, maybe AJ or some high suited connectors like JTs or 89s. He either SMASHED this board with TP or 2 pair+ or he's weak and will fold. As I think his range is so polarized there is ZERO reason to shove because when he calls you're ****ed and when he folds he wasn't calling the $145 anyways. So call and if he calls behind look to try to check it down.


Hand 2
Preflop: Great
Flop: Standard
Turn: So here is where it gets interesting. We aren't going anywhere so our options are to bet or check back. When he goes X/C then X again I'd think he has 99 - QQ, QJ, KQ, AQ (which you block a bit) or some high suited connectors he didn't want to give up on like a 9T or JT. Once again you're either WAY ahead (99-JJ, KQ, high suited connectors) or WAY behind (QQ, 88, 55, AQ, QJ). I think if you fire here you're gonna fold out everything in his weaker range other than KQ and going to be in a really **** position if he raises you as you'll either have to fold and lose all your equity against a hand like AQ or a set or get it in crushed. Checking also disguises the strength of our hand because most of the time a bluffing AK on the flop will keep firing especially hitting the turn, QQ will be firing 100% of the time hoping it got floated or is against another set, an Ax or FD.
River: Honestly this is a tough call and probably nut worst river. What do we beat that we thought he could have on the turn and would fire out? He's either firing out as a bluff or for value.

Bluff
1. maybe a busted FD but we block most of those
2. 99-TT. Almost never
3. KQ that wants to turn it into a bluff? we have a blocker and it's unlikely
4. Suited connectors? There are almost none that would call flop

Value
88, QQ, 55, AQ, 9T, QJ, JJ

The river is a fold. If you include ALL bluffs (which I think is generous) and All value you need about 40% equity to even have odds and against that whole range you have almost EXACTLY 40% (so says pokerstove). Since I think AT BEST this is breakeven and most the time given I think quite a bit of those bluffs are unlikely it's a clear fold.
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