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2/5NL deep - flopped set faces turn raise 2/5NL deep - flopped set faces turn raise

05-10-2011 , 05:50 PM
Table has been going for 6+ hours. 3 fish, 3 live regs, 3 supposed ex-internet players. I say supposed because every new face in the card room lately claims to be an internet player and they all have 50-100k locked up on stars, yada yada yada. However, 2 of these 3 internet players have bought in short, which right away smells fishy to me. Imo, a 2/4-5/10 online reg wouldn't dream of buying in short, especially at a fairly soft live game with big stacks.

V1 - semi fishy live reg - (800) - sb
Hero - (1800) - bb dealt 5d 5s
V2 - internet player - (1200) - button

V2 has been going on and on about his 90k online and all the traveling he does to play poker and how he plays a super juicy 10/25/50 game and won like 15k recently, etc... yet he bought in for $350 and won a 3 way all in on the flop plus another small hand or 2 to get his current stack. Quite aggressive in position.

Preflop:
2 limps, v2 raises to $25, V1 calls, hero calls, limpers fold.

Flop: 3 players, $85

Ac 5c Kh (bingo!)
V1 checks, hero checks, V2 bets $50 as expected, V1 calls, hero raises to $150 (way too small, in retrospect, given that this flop hits both villains assumed ranges pretty hard, plus the draws), both villains call.

Turn: 3 players, $530

Qh
V1 checks (mid strength ace or fd, imo), hero leads for $350, V2 jams for a little less than $700 on top, V1 folds, HERO!?!??

I've shown quite a bit of strength, yet villain makes this play. QQ makes sense pre, but I doubt he continues on the flop after the c/r, although a bit too small. Does he play JT like this? He calls a c/r otf hoping for a 4 outer? This villain is aggressive, but definitely competant.

What's our play?
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05-10-2011 , 06:11 PM
I aint folding no set! Call. Prob has 2 pair like AK AQ. If he has a set you are supposed to go broke without a specific read imo. I cant see him leading and calling a raise OOP with J10 otf......
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05-10-2011 , 06:13 PM
Disclaimer: Admittedly above my stakes.

Need to have a plan for the turn. Pretty miserable turn all in all, and I'm surprised you bet and began to ask questions regarding your action. If you want to bet/fold, do it smaller.

If you are sure he 3bets AA/KK otf, I think you have to include AK as a hand that he 3bets otf. QQ makes no sense, even for a poor player. Kind of leaves to three hands he does this with for value: AQ, JT(almost always JTcc, maybe JThh), AJhh/AThh.

As played, pot odds make this a call imo. I think you need to approach the turn as b/f, b/c, c/c, c/shove, etc and not b/decide in this spot tbh.
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05-10-2011 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by agnostia
Table has been going for 6+ hours. 3 fish, 3 live regs, 3 supposed ex-internet players. I say supposed because every new face in the card room lately claims to be an internet player and they all have 50-100k locked up on stars, yada yada yada. However, 2 of these 3 internet players have bought in short, which right away smells fishy to me. Imo, a 2/4-5/10 online reg wouldn't dream of buying in short, especially at a fairly soft live game with big stacks.

V1 - semi fishy live reg - (800) - sb
Hero - (1800) - bb dealt 5d 5s
V2 - internet player - (1200) - button

V2 has been going on and on about his 90k online and all the traveling he does to play poker and how he plays a super juicy 10/25/50 game and won like 15k recently, etc... yet he bought in for $350 and won a 3 way all in on the flop plus another small hand or 2 to get his current stack. Quite aggressive in position.

Preflop:
2 limps, v2 raises to $25, V1 calls, hero calls, limpers fold.

Flop: 3 players, $85

Ac 5c Kh (bingo!)
V1 checks, hero checks, V2 bets $50 as expected, V1 calls, hero raises to $150 (way too small, in retrospect, given that this flop hits both villains assumed ranges pretty hard, plus the draws), both villains call.

Turn: 3 players, $530

Qh
V1 checks (mid strength ace or fd, imo), hero leads for $350, V2 jams for a little less than $700 on top, V1 folds, HERO!?!??

I've shown quite a bit of strength, yet villain makes this play. QQ makes sense pre, but I doubt he continues on the flop after the c/r, although a bit too small. Does he play JT like this? He calls a c/r otf hoping for a 4 outer? This villain is aggressive, but definitely competant.

What's our play?
Villain's not putting you on QQ+ or AK because of the flat pre so the only set/2-pair hand you can have is 55 (maybe A5). Villain has a ton of 2-pair/draws to go along with the obviously possible KK+. If villain is competent, he knows this flop hits the top of his perceived range so this could be a bluff/semi-bluff knowing you really can't continue with most of the range you repped pf. KQ "gets there" but with an A on the board, you can't go broke with KQ.

Alternatively, villain could have easily flopped or turned 2-pair and thinks he's good. I don't think a straight is realistic and QQ should go away with the other villain in the pot.

You are ahead of a ton of hands that can do this and behind KK+. I can't find a fold here.

Edit: V1 still hanging around makes a semi-bluff less likely even though V1 has been really passive in the hand. And, yes, JTcc could certainly be an option.
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05-10-2011 , 09:45 PM
easy call, and why didnt you anticipate this happening on the turn when u bet? was ur plan really to b/f turn w/ a set? i mean he has 10jcc here but theres so many combos he picked up and he could be just saying screw it lets gamble, also the 2 pr combos are out there ur getting far too good of odds this should not be a hard decision at all, if he has the str8 u still have outs too
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