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Originally Posted by daniel9861
I don't think there's enough behind to try to bluff him off a flush or 22. Would be a nice spot for an overbet, like 2x pot, but w/ PSB left and since you can still have some perceived pure bluffs like 78o I think it's a give up.
A bit agree, but on the other hand, it isn't common to have 600bb pots in this game. So the shove on the river, which is about 200bb is huge bet and from tight player as myself, it screams a lot of strenght - also I see now, that most of the players here would check behind my hand, so villain in the hand might think similar.
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Originally Posted by Mickeypowell5
If you know you're one of the best players at the table, then I dont mind pf. If you don't know if you're one of the best players at the table, then don't call marginal hands looking for implied odds position against competent v's at 2/5. You said the table had regs right? Are the reg fishes or reg 2/5 players? Calling pf with pp and sc's in the right spots are one thing, but calling them in the right spots against certain 2/5 regs who won't pay you off is another. If you l/c with a pp into a multi-way pot and x/r an average flop, don't expect to get paid off by some of these competent 2/5 v's. They're different from 1/2 fishes. If the table is splashy, then by all means. But again, if you know you're one of the best at the table and can navigate post-flop well against some of these v's the I don't mind pf.
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I wouldn't play on the table if I don't think I'm one of the better players there. Also the call of 65o isn't standard by the book, but with this hand I'm ok against UTG/UTG1 ranges (in terms that we will not hit same flops/boards that much) and I'm happy to play pot against biggest fish (CO) in position which is the main reason by the call. Also SB is tight player who doesn't 3bet often and BB will be happy to call usually and will not squeeze often. So I would argue that call here is ok so deep.
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Originally Posted by Dutchstreetfish
I really don't like getting into this spot with 65o, even on button. Raised pot, competent players, this is not a good hand. Stacks are deep which might make it more playable but you'd have to think you have a lot of edge. I'd let his go preflop.
As played, you were aggressive on flop and turn with nice big bets and he called. Now the board sucks, and your hand does not look like a flush. Maybe this line looks like a flopped set that's now a full house, so you could do a half pot or 3/4 pot bet but V sounds sticky and likely to call. I think I'd save my chips to value bet him later when I have a hand. You have show down value (beat 87 and ace high hands). I wouldn't shovel more chips in here.
I don't quite agree. PF I explained above. On the river I think I can't bet half or 3/4 of the pot. It can just tell him I want to actually bluff. If I have 55/66 in this situation, I would always shove. Also showdown value...I don'know. He might have 87o in the range, which I beat, fine. But it must be very difficult for him to call with his flushes and 22. Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't I think. Again, when we see how many people would check here behind with 56, 34, maybe even flush, then why should we not bet? He isn't usual fish who sees flush as the nuts or doesn't see other full houses etc.
But I'm opened to discussion obviously and thankful for all the responses. So if we switch the situations and put hero in shoes of villain with let's say 22/78cc, would hero as BB play differently from actual hand and would he check/call river shove here?