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03-24-2014 , 03:05 PM

jpsychlady

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Early morning/late night game. My table just broke and I joined this game 3 hands ago. Only recognize one player who has had moderate success in tourneys. Everyone has been playing all night.

UTG+1($400) raises to $15
4 callers of various stack sizes between $400-$800
Hero($1200)calls in bb with QhTh

POT $90

Flop Td 6c 4c

Hero checks
OR bets $20
3 calls

Hero?

My thoughts are this is a super weak bet, less than 1/4 of the pot. Can't imagine anyone having much of anything by just calling. I also will probably hate most turn cards if we proceed 5 handed. I don't like any club, 2, 3, 7, 8, 9, J, K or A but I am also not fond of bloating the pot OOP

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03-24-2014 , 03:28 PM

gus1112

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 988

Grunch:

Ok drawy board, weak lead w multiple callers, and we have toppest of pairs

Make it 100 straight, fold to resistance

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03-24-2014 , 03:59 PM

samo

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Our dilemma stems from calling this hand oop. While the pot odds are attractive the BB poses a significant challenge to control pot size, not to mention potential RIO.

As played, your perceived image plays an important factor. I recognize you are only a few hands in, so I'd say if your overall image seems tight/nitty, I'd raise for value and to iso. Evaluate turn depending on who is left. Folding > calling imo.

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03-24-2014 , 04:01 PM

Ineeda2

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Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 365

I would definitely prefer donking 2/3- PSB otf.
As played, I'd make it 150 and fold to a r8ase depending on who and for how much

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03-24-2014 , 04:46 PM

jpsychlady

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Originally Posted by samo

I cannot fold a suited gapper getting 8 to 1 on my money. That just reeks of nitdom to me

As far as my image, I'm a woman so I assume most unknowns will view me as tight

Last edited by jpsychlady; 03-24-2014 at 04:53 PM.

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03-24-2014 , 05:43 PM

Kyle21

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Originally Posted by jpsychlady

I cannot fold a suited gapper getting 8 to 1 on my money. That just reeks of nitdom to me

As far as my image, I'm a woman so I assume most unknowns will view me as tight

Folding this pre would be terrible.

I actually think you just have to call and re-evaluate on the turn. I think raising bloats the pot and because you are oop you will have trouble on later streets controlling the pot size.

I the cbet was bigger I could agree this could be a fold but I'm not folding for this price.

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03-24-2014 , 06:09 PM

Mattyk1992

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Originally Posted by Kyle21

+1 I'm never folding this hand pre.

As played I think it's a call and re-eval turn.

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03-24-2014 , 07:39 PM

17Squared

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I'd lead out on the flop for ~$60 here

This flop will get checked around too often and your hand is vulnerable. Narrow the field and get called by plenty of worse hands.

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03-24-2014 , 07:48 PM

Shaffer

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Definitely prefer leading out ~2/3 pot on this flop. As played I call and re-evaluate turn. This may be a spot to stop-and-go on a blank (I consider any straight card to be a blank here, we're just looking to avoid a club).

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03-24-2014 , 08:24 PM

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jvds

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lead flop. as played, c/r to 140

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03-24-2014 , 09:35 PM

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Octavian

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Originally Posted by jpsychlady

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UTG+1($400) raises to $15
4 callers of various stack sizes between $400-$800
Hero($1200)calls in bb with QhTh

POT $90

Flop Td 6c 4c

Hero checks
OR bets $20
3 calls

Hero?

Preflop is a fold. You cannot play profitably drawing hands out of position. So, from the start you step into the wrong. At the flop you got no hand for multiway pat. When you have 4 dudes with you on the flop and got just one pair,.., well, you got no hand pardner.

All the talk is worthless because the start was out of this world for a professional.

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03-24-2014 , 11:00 PM

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CallMeVernon

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 4,117

Calling the flop with this hand is awful, because as OP said, she's going to hate almost all turns. The other hands, which probably include some drawing hands, get to realize some of their equity, and it's awful for us. More often than not we're going to have to fold the turn if someone bets; so why not just save some money and fold the flop?

If I were not going to fold, I'd be raising. The purpose of the raise would be to turn my hand into a bluff--possibly get called by draws that aren't there yet, but fold out Tx with a better kicker.

If I did not think folding out better made hands was possible, I'd be folding now.

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