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2/5 - set deep on drawy board 2/5 - set deep on drawy board

04-08-2014 , 05:38 PM
Hero (1100), MP(3500), co(250), sb(750), others roughly 500

All the villians are standard lolivepros that play roughly 40/10. sb has been playing poker professionally 30+years but still has a weird style, he respects my game and weve played maybe 100hrs with each other over the last year. Mp loses 75% of the time but is god moding today after getting paid off with quads several times today.

4 limpers, hero calls 66 otb, sb completes, bb cks

6h7x8h, utg+1 bets 40, mp calls mp+1 calls, hero calls, sb calls, bb folds

2x, utg+1 bets 40, mp r 120, co shoves, hero??
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04-08-2014 , 05:59 PM
Jesus.

Any ideas on ranges here/more info on CO? I don't really know where to begin.

A 3b shove on this board in a 7 way pot is pretty epicly reeking of strength, could this be A9hh or A7hh? Sure, but with someone leading into 4 more players, then getting raised and then a shove over the top?

Not a great spot, I'm going to defer advice to people better than I.

**edit**

Just saw CO was only 250 deep. Hang on rethinking.....

Re-edit after seeing 22dueces22's post.

I thought this was on the flop, huge misread!

Raise flop for sure, you flopped a set and the board is hugely wet, please raise flop here. Make it like 200 or something.

As played the 2 can't have improved MP or CO hands and the only hand I think they're not raising on the flop that beats you is possibly, possibly 910hh or 45hh.

Slowplayed straight or 88/77 here? I really don't know.

Last edited by TheGramuel; 04-08-2014 at 06:13 PM.
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04-08-2014 , 06:08 PM
Why aren't we raising flop if we have button?
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04-08-2014 , 06:16 PM
This is tough. It's hard to imagine anyone slowplaying a better hand on this flop. The fact that UTG1 only bet 40 into 230 on the turn may have induced some weird spaz from MP, and CO can have all number of worse hands (pair+SD, pair+FD, combo draws) that he doesn't want to let go of because he only has one PSB left and multiple people are showing interest in the hand. As played, I probably just shove over CO's all-in.

But I'd never be in this spot because I'm always raising the flop.
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04-08-2014 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Illiterate
This is tough. It's hard to imagine anyone slowplaying a better hand on this flop..
I disagree. There are a lot of rec players that would peel one more card off on turn to make sure no heart hits then ship the turn with a straight.

My initial reaction is the typical "We have a set, lets get it in..."

but i'm not so sure after thinking about it. We are up against 3 villains on a super wet board. T9 is definitely a hand that gets a lot of play preflop, even T9o especially for a limp pot. T9 and 54 make the straight and 87 make top two or worse, someone has a set of 7s or 8s . With all the action it is quite possible that our hand is actually squeezed between two or even three ranges.

One villain can have a straight, and another could have top two meaning that if the board pairs (other than the deuce or case 6) we still lose, so there goes 6 of our outs . And life sucks if we ran into a higher set.

but for the sake of argument, if we were to just assume we are drawing to a fullhouse then we have 10 outs meaning we are roughly 20% to hit on the river with one card to come. We need 4:1 on our money and we aren't getting it. Then there is the possibility of us getting squeezed between ranges.

I think this is counter intuitive but I think this is actually a puke fold here.

I think heads up or vs 2 villains we can get it in. But given the way action has progressed and we are up against 3 villains and a bet => raise => shove on the turn when turn is a brick...

yeah, not looking good for our bottom set.

98% of the time, I think we get it in with bottom set... but I think this situation qualifies as the 2% in which we puke fold???
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04-08-2014 , 07:09 PM
A little hard to see, but the bet on the flop is over pot sized. Screams someone is scared of being out drawn or a complete noob. Given the turn action, hard to tell. I raise the flop like everyone else. No way anyone else other than UTG+1 has a set or straight because they should be raising, too. Unless they are noobs too.

dgi, I think having the turn action does influence the thinking on the flop. If I only knew what happened to the flop, I'm not folding.
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04-08-2014 , 07:59 PM
I'm folding here. You're not closing the action and you're against 2 people who are representing the straight.
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04-09-2014 , 02:14 AM
So does no one think that we should be raising the flop? Me personally after all those calls OTF I'm still raising the flop as I think many draw hands will still call a re-raise with the wrong odds. Then on all turns that don't make 4 to a straight or 3 to a flush (eek! alot I know) I'm b/f the turn and chk/folding the river. Obviously this changes if we fill up to a boat, I'm going for value.

In short, if we get any resistance after the re-raise OTF it's probably pretty clear we're beat, but I still feel theres lots of value to be had with this hand. Feel free to ream me for being greedy
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