2/5 $500 effective I just sat down and don't recognize villain. Middle aged white guy.

Villain in C/O opens to $25. Folds to me in SB and I 3! to $95 with AK

Flop($195) KJ10

What's your plan here? I checked with the intention of c/r all in if villain bet. Is betting out better? Is c/c better?

Anyways, I check and he piles $400 in there.

If you're going to 3b OOP vs a 5x open with AK, I'm probably not checking this board, I really dislike the scenario. I think you're 3b is on the large side.

I think c/f to this sizing is fine, dont blame anyone for calling either. It's so goofy could easily be QQ type of hands or some goofy 99.

But just as easily AQ/JJ/TT/AK

I think you have to lead this flop. I'm bet/calling, but I'm not thrilled about it.

Flip a coin and decide between calling or folding, given the bet sizing. I think you can see all sorts of hands like KQ/QJ/QQ, etc. just as often as you see AA/AQ/JJ/TT.

I mean, what's your 3! range here? I assume AK has to be close to the bottom of our 3-bet value range on this flop. Given that I don't mind your plan to c/s as we can't bet/call and having the Ad makes this a good candidate for that. Once he piles 2x pot otf I fold.

SPR is 2:1, so my plan with TPTK would have been to get it in anyway. Obviously don't feel great about calling a shove but I do call here and hope to get shown something like QQ. We have some redraws too if behind.

This is HU, OOP right?

You have to lead any flop (monotone, straight, flush) otherwise the V, in position can rep it and you are put to a difficult decision.

If you are going to play OOP, you have to expect this.

Just 2 diamonds on flop

I like checking with the Ad and betting with Ax. Anyone else like this?

I 3! A little wider than most. Something like JJ+ KQs, AQs+ and mix in some random connectors ( @ 0% frequency vs unknown tho )

Yeah, we just have so many better hands to call this flop jam. That being said I wonder if we want to go for a check/jam with all of our value and semi bluffs.

Not making it $95 pre. Try and flop better. Not folding to his jam.

What's everyone standard raise size then? Or is everyone flatting pre

With no callers, I go 3x, so I'd 3-bet to $75. I'm fine with $95 too though if he'll call.

Uhh TPTK + nut gutter + BDNFD + SPR = 2x = not folding.

Our 3! was on the large side but it kind of worked out here. Just never fold.

Lol I didn't. Just felt awkward

With no callers in position I generally go 2.75-3x in position (larger if deep and/or villain calls 3! Wide). OOP i just 4x+ bomb them... seems like most aren't doing this.

I think 3.5x is more than fine 3b OOP.

Yeah. That seems reasonable. Given that the open is slightly larger than standard and stacks aren't deep

Do you size up your 3! OOP if stacks are deeper? 150bb/200bb?

FWIW this is something I think about alot wrt to live poker specifically (raise sizing).

The issue is that live opens at so lol large, when you 4x oop (somewhat standard online), you are actually using a 4bet sizing. (Online it would go something like $15/ $50/ $120)

I'm not really sure this is "bad" per se but I do think when you do this you're putting in a ton of your stack vs a range that is going to be pretty strong when continuing. You're making it really easy for villain to not make mistakes and your putting out a hundo to take his $25 and some change. I think $85 accomplishes the same thing.

Seems like a small not pick but that $10 saved helps with our cbet sizing as well so it's more like $20 we are saving vs an inelastic continuing range.

Villain owned me with AQcc fwiw.

Also Avaritia in regards to sizing, I think for the most part we aren't getting too out of line with our OOP 3!s. So if our range is heavily weighted towards value I don't think "saving $" comes into play. So it might be better we bomb as much as we think will get called without cutting down their continuing range....

V shoving nuts there is really bad. Almost as bad as calling such a huge 3-ball w/AQ. Make a note and chip up.

Do we really think we have 40% equity here? And why do we want to call with basically the bottom of our value range?

What?

We have 42% vs. QQ-TT,AQs+,KQs,AQo+,KQo

We have 47% vs. QQ-TT,AQs+,KQs,QJs,AQo+,KQo,QJo

We have 53% vs. QQ-TT,AJs+,KQs,QJs,AJo+,KQo,QJo

We have 56% vs. QQ-TT,AJs+,KQs,QTs+,AJo+,KQo,QTo+

Add in anything wider/spazz and we are well over 60%. Given what he showed up with and his pot ship we can reasonably infer AQo is not the bottom of his raise/call range preflop.

I guess I don't really expect people to shove KQ and QQ, turning their hands into bluffs. I would assume villain has made hands, 2 pair+, or diamond combo draws. I also think villain can have KK and AA as well.

It's a pretty fishy shove. Think you'd be better leaning towards the fishy range than the tight one

Hard to say it was fishy after seeing the results. Plus with AQcc exactly it makes sense because a TON of worse hands can call. Especially if we are check calling with 1 pair.