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01-31-2017 , 07:16 AM

sharkem

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Playing 2/5 NL cash game with a stack of 557.

I am dealt Kc, Kd in early position. I open to 25, which is consistent with my other opens. The table is very loose, and opening bets of 40 or more are happening frequently.

I have one caller in middle position. He may have been calling somewhat too many raises, but he seems capable of folding in the post flop streets. Everyone else folded. (57 in the pot)

Flop is 5h, 8c, 9d. I bet 40, and he calls. (137)

Turn is 10d. I bet 70, and he calls. (277)

River is Qs. Hero? Comments on other streets also welcome.

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01-31-2017 , 07:22 AM

johnnyBuz

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Bet/fold $100 targeting 9x, 87, 86, 77, 66 etc.

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02-01-2017 , 07:30 AM

sharkem

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I bet 100, and he called and won with 10c, 8d.

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02-01-2017 , 08:54 AM

QuadJ

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You should wait longer before giving results.

You really should be slowing down here at some point. Bet/check/bet or bet/bet/evaluate or something. The ten on the turn isn't a good card and the queen on the river is even worse. A lot of flop calling hands beat you by river and most of the worse hands give up at some point.

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02-01-2017 , 09:32 AM

mkind0516

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River is a check/fold. It's unlikely he's calling a bet with many worse hands and probably just wants to take his one pairs to showdown as much as you do. Unless you just have some bulletproof read that he never folds a pair to any bet and is incapable of turning anything into a bluff, in which case I'd just bet something small (like in the $60-$80 range just trying to price him in).

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02-01-2017 , 06:56 PM

johnnyBuz

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Originally Posted by sharkem

I bet 100, and he called and won with 10c, 8d.

You took a shot at thin value. It didn't work out this time. Make a mental note that this villain plays two pair passively even as the board gets more dangerous and use that in the future.

The fact that he had T8 here and called doesn't preclude him from calling when he has 87. Nice hand unfortunate result.

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02-01-2017 , 07:14 PM

StimAbuser

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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

How often you getting called with 4th, 5th, or 6th pair when you fire all 3 streets on this board? I mean a lone J makes a straight.

Betting river is turning our hand into a bluff.

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02-01-2017 , 07:24 PM

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How often you getting called with 4th, 5th, or 6th pair when you fire all 3 streets on this board? I mean a lone J makes a straight.

It's villain dependent. Since we have virtually no read to go off of I'm assuming villain has a one pair hand and is putting us on air.

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Betting river is turning our hand into a bluff.

This is way too general a statement. You could say "potting the river is turning our hand into a bluff." But we have a long runway to work with between a min-bet and pot. $100 may have been slightly too large. I like $75-80 upon further consideration.

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02-01-2017 , 07:42 PM

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bet way smaller than $100.

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02-01-2017 , 08:00 PM

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StimAbuser

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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

It's villain dependent. Since we have virtually no read to go off of I'm assuming villain has a one pair hand and is putting us on air.

This is way too general a statement. You could say "potting the river is turning our hand into a bluff." But we have a long runway to work with between a min-bet and pot. $100 may have been slightly too large. I like $75-80 upon further consideration.

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I have one caller in middle position. He may have been calling somewhat too many raises, but he seems capable of folding in the post flop streets. Everyone else folded.

Doesn't sound like someone who's calling 3 barrels with 4-6th pair on scary boards. And all the hands you listed as calling you aren't just calling because they think you have air, they got SD outs & 2pair/set outs. Now the board is super scary and those hands beat absolutely nothing but AK. And turn and river hit his range pretty well.

You value own yourself WAY more than you get called by 3rd pair or worse here.

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02-01-2017 , 08:22 PM

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Amanaplan

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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

It's villain dependent. Since we have virtually no read to go off of I'm assuming villain has a one pair hand and is putting us on air.

It's probably more river dependent than anything else.

23458TKA are better bet-folds. 679JQ are better ck-decides.

Qx is likely the worst one to bet.

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