Table just opened and this is the third hand.

V(410,HJ) early 20 white guy. Unknown
V2(1000, btn) loose player.

Hero(1000. MP)raise to 20 with AdQs.v1 calls, v2 calls, bb calls.

Flop(80)AhKs8h

Hero bets 50, v1 calls, v2 calls

Turn(230): 6s

Hero bets 150. v all in for about 190.

is 150 bet too big? I feel after I bet the 150 I have to call the 190.

I think you can bet $110 - $120 here and fold for the extra $220 - $230, but I'm not sure I like it. You should have had a plan, though, either bet/fold or bet/call or check (which I would not do), and size accordingly.

Against an unknown, I just call off the $190 for less than 100bb. He could have AsXs or some other weird draw or even AJ.

Preflop opening bet of $20 in a 2/5 game is like LIMPING. Why you do that?
Now, on the flop: When the flop comes AKX and you have AQ, why are you even afraid of anything? You got so many blockers to AA and KK that is not even an issue. You got an Ace plus a Ace and a King are on the board. How many Aces and Kings are left and don't forget there was no 3bet from villains pre. So, why even think if your TP is good? Yes, it is good but still only one pair. Learn to make your postflop decisions easy to deal with. Now when you only limped for $20 preflop, on the flop you got a very difficult decision because most players don't play well TP (they don't know what to do with TP)

20 too small? No limpers and I open raise to 20. It's 4x!!! It's my standard raise if there is one or 2 limpers I make t to 30 or 35

Is it all in for $190 or $190 more?

My bad. 190 more for hero to call

Quite honestly, to make a better evaluation of what we/you should do, we need better information on the two V's. Especially V2, Loose, cause he's the one that covers, and V1 is an unknown.

Having said that:

Pre-flop is fine, based on your adjustments for limpers.

Flop: Personally, I bet at least 63+. That hits lots of calling ranges in a 4 way pot. And it's two-tone. Time to charge. You're beat by AK, pretty unlikely based on statistics factoring board and your hand, but also based on PF action. What realistically beats you is 88s and A8s. So ye, you need C-bet.

Turn: 150 is fine. I'd prob bet like 160-170. When V1 raises it doesn't look like he's drawing or semi-bluffing, it looks like he's ready to go with his current hand. So at his point, 88, 66 (very unlikely), A8, A6 has got you. You're beating all Ax besides that, Kxhh draws; for 190 more I call. The money already in, the high likelihood he has like AT, AJ, AQ, the fact no draw did get there yet. But I just call, I in no way raise, I'm just folding out V2's worse and getting over-called Shoved/Raised by his better.
The Turn is a rough spot, but based on the fact of sheer pot odds, I feel like you need to call, although the way V1 played hand it's kinda liked he milked along till he said no more point and just got his last chips in. But he's unknown, so we just can't know. However if he's halfway decent, he really shouldn't be calling you with 88, so that can help to rule that out; then with him being shortstack TPGK can start to look pretty good.

River: If V2 calls turn. River is card dependent. I might check, I might bet, betting is tricky though. You'd have to value-bet into a very big pot, so if you bet like 2/3rd he'd have to have something decent to call, if you value-bet small it might induce him to bluff/ semi-bluff and then what are you gonna do when you need to call like 400-500 more just to see showdown. I prob x/c and hate myself if I see he has like KT, KQ, or AT. Idk, river would be tricky.

game dependent imo. was getting 3 callers a total surprise to you? if not then you should go more.

flop bet is good. get value from weaker aces and maybe KQ-KT and draws.

turn bet is fine i think. hard to shade too much smaller without giving proper odds to the FDs.

pretty much have to call here unless he were to turn over his cards and show you 88/66 (assuming v2 folded).

My bad. 190 more for hero to call

WP, call now.

Your standard is wrong. Very wrong to the point of no arguments,

With $1,300 effective stacks in 2/5 game an opening bet of $20 is LIMPING. Actually it's worse because you give almost free ride to any fish to outflop you and take you money.
How much would you open preflop if effectives would be $300? - Still 4x5=20???

Opening for STANDARD is Biblical wrong wrong and more wrong when stacks are very deep

Mamarolex's advice is Biblical wrong in general.


Sizing can be bigger maybe postflop. When I'm thinking about sizing multiway I try to adjust things based on the smallest stack because they're the most likely to do something silly like shove. If you're not looking to get raised then size to an amount that lets you fold. If you're trying to get all in set yourself up for an easy call.

The point I'm making is that you should have had an idea of what to do about his shove before you put the $150 out there.

Your "wrong in general" statement is not an answer. It's running in circles and talking generalities. The major idea that I advocate is that playing aggressive is the way of doing business. Never call a 3bet but 4bet immediately if you figure you are good to go to the river. Never call and reevaluate because the reevaluation with AK is 66% of time when you miss the flop and you cannot survive calling a 3bet and folding 66% of time. You'll be getting killed financially

That's why people saying: "call and see what's he's gonna do on the turn" or "call and float to the next card" or anything advising calling and reevaluating and readjusting all the BS in the world has no value whatsoever. Reevaluating is for birds not con players that we must be in order to make money.

standard .. sorry you lost

OP,

What did V2 do?

Pot odds offered?

Villain's range?

Hero's equity vs V's range?