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2/5 NL: Thin Value Shove (I Think?) With Ace-High vs. Flush Draw (I Hope?) Line Check 2/5 NL: Thin Value Shove (I Think?) With Ace-High vs. Flush Draw (I Hope?) Line Check

07-30-2015 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by HH2010
I'm only going to say this one more time:

We have blocker.
please explain how you believe this helps
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07-30-2015 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by HH2010
I'm only going to say this one more time:

We have blocker.
Well, we're not getting freerolled by AcKc, but I wasn't that worried about that hand. V2 can't have Kc6c, KcQc.... I guess I'll have to sleep on it to come up with the deeper meaning you're trying to communicate here.
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07-30-2015 , 03:40 PM
I'm trolling. Clearly my strat vs troll posting range is not at all balanced on 2p2. That or you guys are extremely gullible.
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07-30-2015 , 03:44 PM
I considered that, but I know you post in Med-High Stakes so was giving benefit of the doubt.

So mocking the thread and the "just to see" comment?
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07-30-2015 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by suited fours
I love me some jamming of the AK. But doesn't V1 need to be deeper to expect the necessary FE? Thanks again.
Look at it from V1's perspective. If he has 99 or 8x here, like A8s or something. He has only put in 1/3 of his stack ($120 out of $350), is playing scared/afraid of stacking off without the nuts, and just got check/shoved on by the PFR who made it $35 preflop.

Maybe he can call it off if V2 doesn't flat, putting me on a flush draw (even then, AK, a likely hand to raise pre from SB and check/raise flop, is a favorite), but the fact that V2 called and now I am shoving makes it a damn near certainty that 8x/99 is no good. I used V2's call as protection which precludes V1 from calling with his one pair hands.

That's the primary reason why I (perhaps misguidedly) decided to shove. I was ready to check/fold this flop, especially after V1 bet. But after MP folded (tricky V who likes to stab) and V2 flats, I made an adjustment that I could get V1 off his hand and race with V2 for the dead money (which Vernon pointed out probably isn't a race vs. his entire range).

Last edited by johnnyBuz; 07-30-2015 at 03:59 PM.
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07-30-2015 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
Look at it from V1's perspective. If he has 99 or 8x here, like A8s or something. He has only put in 1/3 of his stack ($120 out of $350), is playing scared/afraid of stacking off without the nuts, and just got check/shoved on by the PFR who made it $35 preflop.

Maybe he can call it off if V2 doesn't flat, putting me on a flush draw (even then, AK, a likely hand to raise pre from SB and check/raise flop, is a favorite), but the fact that V2 called and now I am shoving makes it a damn near certainty that 8x/99 is no good. I used V2's call as protection which precludes V1 from calling with his one pair hands.

That's the primary reason why I (perhaps misguidedly) decided to shove. I was ready to check/fold this flop, especially after V1 bet. But after MP folded (tricky V who likes to stab) and V2 flats, I made an adjustment that I could get V1 off his hand and race with V2 for the dead money (which Vernon pointed out probably isn't a race vs. his entire range).
I understand your logic. Whether V1 should call or will call are separate questions. However, I expect that with this action at this stack depth, V1 usually will call.
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07-30-2015 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
That's the primary reason why I (perhaps misguidedly) decided to shove. I was ready to check/fold this flop, especially after V1 bet. But after MP folded (tricky V who likes to stab) and V2 flats, I made an adjustment that I could get V1 off his hand and race with V2 for the dead money (which Vernon pointed out probably isn't a race vs. his entire range).
I do like the first half of this thought process--I think you put enormous pressure on V1 with this raise and you could very easily get him off one pair hands. Your hand looks like AA/KK that's checking to trap a smaller overpair on the flop.

The problem is the second half of this leads to you getting it in bad or flipping against V2's range as the reward for being right about the first half. It's a little bit like getting reverse freerolled--you have a marginal +EV spot--at best--against V2 if you are correct in your read on V1, and if you're wrong about V1 it's a total disaster.
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07-30-2015 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by HH2010
I'm only going to say this one more time:

We have blocker.
And?
You're blocking the 2nd nut draw in a single raised pot vs CTS players that have all Axs in their limp calling range, as you are well aware( you probably see it less, since you play 5/10+) but it's not out of the realm for them to over limp with A2s+ and then call a raise to see a cheap flop and just go with it once they flop some kind of nut y draw, this is why these games are so profitable, our boy would have gotten 3 massive streets of value on A high boards if villain doesn't hit 2p some where along the line.
I don't mind the thought process of OP but we have to remember who we are up against " I haz a nut FD I isn't folding", but I don't think this spot was profitable enough to execute and show long term profit.
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07-30-2015 , 05:27 PM
Ok that is definitely the first and last time I ever troll on 2p2... Sorry people
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07-30-2015 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by HH2010
Ok that is definitely the first and last time I ever troll on 2p2... Sorry people

Lol troll fail.
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07-30-2015 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by HH2010
Ok that is definitely the first and last time I ever troll on 2p2... Sorry people
😖 my bad.
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