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01-06-2014 , 02:09 AM
Villain just arrived to table.

Hero: mid 20s white male. Just recently raised UTG and bet 2 streets on a KT5-8 board. (2 spades on turn) hero check calls a $250 bet in to $400 on a 3 river. Hero is good with KQ, villain saw this hand.

Villain: 40s Asian. He's only been at table for 1 revolution and I've already seen him limp call Q6 and K7 off. Villain has just over $500.

Hand - 1 with 200+bb limp in EP, villain limps MP, hero raises in CO to $25 with 5h7h, fish in sb calls, limpers call.

Flop: ($105) 3h8xJh - action checks to hero who bets $75, folds to villain who calls rather seamlessly.

Turn: ($255) Jx - villain checks, I check

River: ($255) 10h - villain checks, I bet $210, villain c/r all in and it's about $190 more for hero to call.... Hero?

Last edited by brojaysimpson; 01-06-2014 at 02:32 AM.
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01-06-2014 , 02:18 AM
Call. Villain has J10,
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01-06-2014 , 02:25 AM
What did Hero have in previous hand?
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01-06-2014 , 02:32 AM
Sorry - hero had KQs
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01-06-2014 , 02:32 AM
limp in pre. you are already up against two limpers and villain is one of those limpers and has proven to limp call wide. 7 high is not a good hand to iso here with
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01-06-2014 , 02:34 AM
bet fold river. fold as played. villain is never bluffing here and is almost never raising with worse for value especially with the flush out there. you also have one of the smallest possible flushes.
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01-06-2014 , 02:42 AM
Limp behind pf, no value in raising. B/f river, you lose to boats and flushs.
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01-06-2014 , 02:49 AM
B/F $140 OTR
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01-06-2014 , 02:52 AM
I don't see V playing Jx this way very often at all. His hand looks a lot like A8hh or some other AhXh. I might even check this back in game.
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01-06-2014 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray Horton
I don't see V playing Jx this way very often at all. His hand looks a lot like A8hh or some other AhXh. I might even check this back in game.
Villain check calls one street and his range is the NFD? I disagree, this guys preflop range is extremely wide so his range on the flop could be a number of things. We need to be betting this river for value 100% of the time. If you're checking this hand back in game I imagine your value betting range is extremely polarized and you miss a ton of in game value.

Are you also checking back and or check folding KQhh?

Last edited by brojaysimpson; 01-06-2014 at 04:26 PM.
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01-06-2014 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by slimshady1999
limp in pre. you are already up against two limpers and villain is one of those limpers and has proven to limp call wide. 7 high is not a good hand to iso here with
I raised pre to ISO mega fish that limped and the other in the blinds was 200bb deep.
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01-06-2014 , 04:44 PM
PF is either a fold (most of the time) or a raise. I don't like limping here very much.

I probably b/f the river, but quite a bit smaller than OP did. Probably make a crying call OTR, but only because you screwed the pooch by betting too much. If you'd bet more like $125-$140, it's a much easier b/f, but since it's $190 to win $865 it seems to be a sigh call.
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01-06-2014 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by brojaysimpson
Villain check calls one street and his range is the NFD? I disagree, this guys preflop range is extremely wide so his range on the flop could be a number of things. We need to be betting this river for value 100% of the time. If you're checking this hand back in game I imagine your value betting range is extremely polarized and you miss a ton of in game value.

Are you also checking back and or check folding KQhh?
This board run out and V's action are typical of a big hand. When we check back turn and jam river our hand is face up.

I would rather barrel turn (after betting flop) or check back flop in this spot. It's not so much that V's range is NFD after c/c one street. It's that V has almost zero calling range on river that a 7-high flush beats after the previous street action. The way you played this hand was fairly transparent and he knows you look up light. His CRAI is extremely strong.

As far as KQhh is concerned that's a fairly clear bet/bet/bet hand.
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01-06-2014 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by hfrog355
PF is either a fold (most of the time) or a raise. I don't like limping here very much.

I probably b/f the river, but quite a bit smaller than OP did. Probably make a crying call OTR, but only because you screwed the pooch by betting too much. If you'd bet more like $125-$140, it's a much easier b/f, but since it's $190 to win $865 it seems to be a sigh call.
According your logic, you're wrong. If his line is a nutted hand how is KQ any different? It's a bluff catcher and that's that. IMO KQhh is good an equal amount of the time as 57hh (and the same amount as AJ)
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01-06-2014 , 07:15 PM
Also, calling with KQ in previous hand is really not very light. Villain was repping AK or air, KQ on that board run out was a snap call.
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01-06-2014 , 10:20 PM
Don't raise pre, fold or limp.

As played, agreed that b/f $140 or so is better. I would call here given the odds and because villain is weird and loose. You usually lose of course.
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01-06-2014 , 10:28 PM
Pre I just limp for $5, small hand small pot.
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01-06-2014 , 11:02 PM
Call. V's line is very strange here. We are still beating trips and rivered straights. Too much money in the pot to fold.
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01-06-2014 , 11:10 PM
As played I do like a river call, I see trip jacks or other random hands like that often enough here. We are getting a good price and villan could be shoving with the fk it mentality.
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01-07-2014 , 05:34 AM
You can't win if you fold.
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01-07-2014 , 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by XxGambitxX
You can't win if you fold.
Great sarcasm.
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01-07-2014 , 09:06 AM
Some of the stuff in this thread is so lol worthy. The KQ hand doesnt matter at all, the guy is Asian in his 40s and is a weak player, he doesn't give a **** about your hand, he is just playing his hand. You guys want to bet/fold 140 but now because you are getting better odds you want to call, that's just silly unless you like to burn money. I'm being a little harsh but this is a pretty clear fold vs what you described as a weak passive player who is just playing his cards.
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01-07-2014 , 09:07 AM
If you saw he limp called Q6 and K7 they must have gone to showdown, how did he play these hands and on what boards probably matters to your river decision now.

It's really about whether he is overvaluing a Jack or rivered straight or mad bluff, you lose to everything else in his range and how he played the previous hands should give some insight as to whether he can judge relative hand strength.
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01-07-2014 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by luvinurmoney
Some of the stuff in this thread is so lol worthy. The KQ hand doesnt matter at all, the guy is Asian in his 40s and is a weak player, he doesn't give a **** about your hand, he is just playing his hand. You guys want to bet/fold 140 but now because you are getting better odds you want to call, that's just silly unless you like to burn money. I'm being a little harsh but this is a pretty clear fold vs what you described as a weak passive player who is just playing his cards.
I think that's my point, it's wether he is weak passive but overvaluing his holding which I've seen done numourous times before live.
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01-07-2014 , 02:53 PM
I remembewitg the K6 hand he got it in with trip 6s otr, don't recall if the board was 3 flush or not.
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