I open $30 in UTG+1 with AA Everyone folds to Button who 3 bets to $130. Blinds fold. I've only played with button for about 3-4 hours, so I put his 3-bet range at TT or better +AK. I don't have any info/reads on whether he would call all-in Preflop. Button has about $800 behind and I have him covered

Hero?

I would raise it up to around 285, hopefully he's put to a jam or fold decision and jams.

+1

maybe a little bigger like $350 and then you can jam good flops for 580/700 (~80% PSB).

Even if we just click it back we are putting in a third of the effective starting stack and flop SPR will close to 1.

(This is why LOLive opening sizes like 6x are so problematic -- the effective stack is 160bb, and we are already playing a four- or five-bet game when this stack depth calls for a seven-bet game.)

The effective stack is $930 so clicking it back to $230 would be 1/4 of stacks.

Regardless, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make? If game conditions are allowing him to get action at a 6x open then that's exactly what he should do with AA. If game conditions are 4x'ing his $30 open then that is exactly what he should do with AA.

There's nothing problematic about GII preflop or the flop.

Just call and hope he punts JJ+ on a 722 flop

Thanks Everyone. I 4-bet to $330 and button calls. Flop is 835 I lead out $220 and button auto-mucks and says "I hate AK".

My question is, "do we ever consider jamming all-in here?" because some/a minority of V's will call all-in with AK with 200BB preflop, but probably most find the fold here with AK. In addition, QQ/JJ might call all-in preflop and any A or K on the flop will kill my action.

the % of times V can call the flop for the rest of his stack vs. the % of times V will call all-in pre.

in general, which of these %'s is higher in your opinion?

I don't like this. any A/K/Q on the flop will kill the chance to stack V. Any of the 10 cards hitting the flop has to be about 64%? is this correct? I don't want to pray for a good 36% flop to stack V. Wouldn't most V's call all in (or at least more than 37% of V's would call all in pre with JJ)?

Your hand is more face up if you jam, so he would likely assume you have aces or kings. By raising less, he's already put in 130, so he's probably gonna see a flop for another 150/175 or so as opposed to another 700.

Hand was played fine, we got as much out of him as we could imo.

Is that your standard open? Seems big even for LOLive standards

This is population dependant I think.

My take is that there are 2 types of all-in shoves in this type of spot in my 2/3 pool, first is from nits/inexperienced players/scared money who have exactly AA 95% of the time.

TL;DR depends on your population

The other is from gamboolers or players who know AK is good but want to ensure they see 5 cards. Then its usually AK that gets shoved and they will 4bet with AA to $300 or whatever. KK goes in either bucket.

Personally I think shove is good if you think a) villain often has JJ/QQ and b) will talk himself into calling on the grounds that you have AK.

My default approach would be to try to make my 4bet the same size regardless of holding which means not shoving. That doesn't mean I wouldn't deviate based on reads though.

I would also look to get it to about 30% of starting stacks. Then button can commit themselves preflop or just call and if it's a call you have the choice of getting the money in on one postflop street or two. Obviously you are stacking off on 99% of flops. If they fold, whatever, they had Ace high and you didn't get your AA cracked so hardly the end of the world.

If he calls AK and whiffs the flop so be it. Occasionally he flops an Ace, or King, or gutshot and stacks off anyway

Then a lot of the time they have a big pair and aren't going anywhere because of SPR.

Well we know an ace isnt going to hit, and QQ looking mighty good on that 835r flop that ended up actually coming out. KK is probably the only hand getting it aipf for 200BB, and KK isnt folding postflop anyway.

I'd check this flop.


If he has KK or QQ, we can easily still get stacks in with two more streets left. He folds hands like AK and KQ. We don't need any protection as all his small pairs are drawing to two outs.

We want his unpaired hands to improve. Or his backdoor flush and straight draws to improve. And we want to let him bluff his AK if he chooses to.

And he may convince himself we have AK after we check and get sticky with hands like 99-JJ.




IMO, in LLSNL, checking here is far greater EV than betting.

I like the 4bet sizing but flop bet is too big. We're not afraid of anything so just go like 20% pot. You could also check being OOP. Allow his AK to catch up or he bets with worse overpairs.

Your preflop sizing is too big. Are you raising all hands to $30? This is a huge leak. In general I would pick one raise size for your whole range and stick to it.

Villain's 3bet size is also atrocious.

Generally we don't want to commit more than 1/3 of effective stack/make the SPR less than 1. Actually with the raise size villain used, I think we could just 4bet jam KK+, and some AK. Or we can just click back to $260. Sometimes in a spot like this you can mix 4bet click and jam with KK, AKo, AKs type hands and pure click back AA. Generally AKo wants to jam more and AKs clicks more to balance your aces.

But hey, villain called more than 1/3 of his stack when you had AA, so you can't argue with the result. You got the max.

Also, in 4bet pots, you are generally going to bet tiny on the flop a lot. 25% pot is probably the most common, sometimes even smaller. Especially when SPR is so low. Let's say you clicked it back to $260, flop pot size is $527 before rake, and you bet $125. You're getting a good price on your bluffs like AKs, and you might even get a call from AK when you have AA, KK. And you are likely to get spazz shoved on if they have a weaker pair.

I saw YT clip the other day discussing how solvers play on dry boards vs wet boards. It seems like it actually prefers to bet big on these boards to capitalize on opponent's willingness to bluffcatch and the unlikelihood they actually improve to anything worth chasing. Conversely it likes to size down on wet flops just to force opponent to call wider when they dont have much and kind of indifferent to giving them good odds to hit their draw.