We are $1100 effective w main V I cover.

Villain is 30’s white male. Seems solid not getting too out of line. But has shown tendencies to make moves with marginal hands that have outs to improve. Rarely limps in almost always comes in w a raise or a call if a raise. Has 3 bet with some frequency without JJ+ or AJs+

Hero has a winning image On this table although stuck about $450 on the session from previous must move table where got it in in a flip and lost

OTTH

MP opens to $20 (standard open and this guy is not main villain. Weak player who can be opening any 2 cards and will fold to aggression if doesn’t hit flop) folds to V in small blind who calls

Hero defends with 10 9 o (could argue a fold here but I felt I can navigate easily post flop)

Flop $55

QJ3r

Hero leads for $35 MP folds to V who flats

Turn $125

Kc (brings in a back door club draw)

Hero bets $75 V thinks for about 25 seconds then slowly raises to $250

Where do we go from here….

I think pre is good, especially with such a weak player in the hand.
Flop lead seems reasonable as well.
On the turn, i think this bet is fine. Interesting spot vs raise. If you call this bet, it will be about $750 effective with 625 in the pot. If you think he will jam on brick rivers once his drawing hands miss, maybe you could argue for a call. I think I prefer a reraise jam. Neither one of you should have sets except maybe 33, so they should have to defend some of their 2 pair hands, and might call with nut flush draws because they are also drawing to straight outs.
Which other card is the club besides the Kc? Do we have a club in our hand?

Cool w/ pre, hate the flop lead, turn seems like a p straight forward call in position.

No club in our hand. And the 3 is the other club

I’m oop to villain

Seems like a p? Is that short for punt?

Your flop lead at that size and possibly any size looks unbalanced to me.

If you want to do it bet smaller, why blast into a preflop raiser from the BB on a QJx flop? He should be betting a high % of the time and has a huge nut advantage (and will be relatively likely to fold if you choose to bet QJ).

I also think it's a fold pre given the rake.

Turn seems to me you should just call and generally call non-flush rivers and check back flush rivers if checked to. Don't see why he can't have AT.

How are you oop to a V in the small blind?

p is short for pretty, so pretty straight forward call in position. Prob calling most rivers as well and betting when checked to.

The thought of AT as a possibility

12 combos of that available vs a ton of combos of other hands including all 2 pairs. Sets. Pair + flush draw. Pair+straight draw and flush draws.

Plus I block AT and it’s a naked gutter. But def a poa

All of this went through my head. Also realized it’s a Jam or fold based on stack sizes remaining

So which do we do? And why.

If we call are we calling any non club jam on river?

Yup you are correct. I miss wrote my notes of the hand. He was otb and I was the small blind. BB was fit or fold so wasn’t worried about him over calling either or squeezing

Ugh can’t go back and edit OP

I think a jam seems best then. They can have their QcTc, QcJc, JcTc, etc. I think just get it in there and play for stacks, unfortunate if they have AT but the fact that they have to call you with worse vs jam and that calling puts you in a situation where you're unhappy on a club and they might not bluff it off or pay you on a brick makes it a jam in my opinion.

Ah gotcha, thought you were the bb and v was sb. In that case, pre is a fold by a wide margin tbh even if the bb isn't squeeze happy. Turn I'd prob just jam, let him decide if KQ or KJ is worth stacking off here.

If you call pot is 625 with 795 behind.

Admittedly knowing you are OOP makes it more tempting but I still don't think this is jam or fold in theory.

I fold pre, but here we are.

He should almost never have AT here. It's also tough for him to put you on 98. This is call or jam for me, and I can get behind either. I only like a jam if this guy is definitely calling w/ worse. No way he's folding better

No club just call turn, jamming accomplishes nothing good here. You’ll be able to play the river pretty straightforward once you call and at least allow for him to have more worse hands once you get there. You’re not being bluffed.

Flop really is a check under most circumstances for a number of reasons. Also, turn size is far far too small, it’s a good card to bet significantly more esp once you lead flop.

So I agree fold pre.

And based on the V and his play I have watched. Having 12 combos of the only hand that beats me. But tons of other strong hands in his range that calls a raise. I decided that a raise would leave awkward sizes on a river and a jam would also protect my equity vs flush draws I decide to jam

Didn’t fade thr snap call that’s for sure. He shows up w ATo

Didn’t know if I could have found a way to get away from this or was a complete punt.

Thanks for the Input

Yes, fold pre.

If I'm in the BB, and there was a raise to 15, if the table is week and I'm bored, of course sometimes I would call. But 20 is 15 more, and your OOP vs the original raiser.

Not allowed to shove without the Tc - it’s an ugly spot to navigate, but you’d also like to allow him more room to overplay his hand/be wider bc of the line you took. I mean these kinds of boards, even in turns, in single raised pots, and not that deep really just come down to who’s value hand is slightly stronger, to me, that doesn’t mean that shoving captures enough value bc it’s not clear how far down his turn raising range truly is.