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03-09-2015 , 06:21 PM

poyo

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Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 349

Need a little help with this, not sure how you guys would have played this.
2/5 local casino Friday night
Hero ($2K)40yr old Rec. regular play atleast 2x a week(end) at this casino. TAG to LAG image. Have taken down a few big pots, going to show down.

Villian ($1.5k) 60's Old man, sticky/station..NOT OMC, probably involved in too many hands, on a roll, hitting alot of 2 pr (K9, Q10 off suit type hands)

4 limpers in front of me including V
Hero is on button with J

raise to $25
Only V calls
FLOP($65) 3

V checks
H bets $40, V calls
Turn($147) K

V checks
Hero??

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03-09-2015 , 06:36 PM

bobman0330

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Bet $100. The pfr size is really bad. A decently smart villain is going to put you on the kind of hand you have and rule out PPs, which makes it a lot harder to be aggressive when you have a draw.

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03-09-2015 , 06:45 PM

iWobbleWobble

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Originally Posted by bobman0330

The pfr size is really bad.

What would you do pre here?

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03-09-2015 , 07:09 PM

MIB211

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The king is a really good card to double barrel. His range for limp-calling pre is a lot of pocket pairs, suited connectors or gappers, suited aces, etc. if he has a ten or a pocket pair that isn't a set he hates the K, especially if putting you on AK. So I bet about 100. If called, I assume I'm beat and fold unless I hit the river. If raised it's really a question of size and pot odds.

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03-09-2015 , 07:23 PM

bobman0330

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Originally Posted by iWobbleWobble

What would you do pre here?

I usually pfr (4 +# of limpers) * the BB in loose games. So, $40 here.

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03-09-2015 , 08:29 PM

poyo

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I bet $85 ott.
V calls
River ($317) 4c
V leads for $225.
H?

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03-09-2015 , 09:07 PM

bjof45

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Originally Posted by bobman0330

Bet $100. The pfr size is really bad. A decently smart villain is going to put you on the kind of hand you have and rule out PPs, which makes it a lot harder to be aggressive when you have a draw.

not if his standard raise has always been $25(could be table norm, shrug)

not sure what we're thinking on the river other than to fold.

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03-09-2015 , 09:28 PM

bobman0330

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A $25 PFR size regardless of the amount of limpers is not good either. You want to get more money in when you have a good hand or force people to give up their equity in the dead money.

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03-09-2015 , 09:30 PM

au4all

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When you have a draw like this that's going to hit roughly 50% of the time, I think your goal should be to build bigger pots when you hit than when you don't. I definitely would've taken the free card on the turn. Probably would've bet larger on the flop.

Would definitely fold the river. The Villain has done nothing to make me think he's planning on folding.

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03-09-2015 , 09:56 PM

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Playbig2000

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We have 15 outs plus a scare card on the turn I might bet about 125. Fold the river unless you messed up the hh there is no question there

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03-09-2015 , 10:02 PM

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fitzthetaxman

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His line seems pretty FOS on the river. I don't know if I would ever have the courage to do anything about it though.

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03-09-2015 , 10:21 PM

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poyo

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I folded. Yes I thought he was FOS too.
Out of all the hands I played that night this one stuck out the most.
Knowing I could/should have played it better.

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03-09-2015 , 10:38 PM

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mikko

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River sucks. How did he play his 2 pair hands?

You rarely see c/c, c/c, lead line. On boards like this. I would definitely be hero calling with showdown value. May be a spot to raise river. Will he bet/fold? Did he lead 2 pair hands?

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03-10-2015 , 01:58 AM

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Mr_Doomed

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Originally Posted by au4all

The biggest problem with this logic is how do we get more money in when we hit if the pot is small? We have significant equity and some fold equity, not to mention the perfect turn double barrell card. Not betting is surely a mistake, in fact we should of bet more one every street. An opened ended straight flush draw is a dream and we want to build a pot, not keep it small until we hit and get 1 street of value.

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03-10-2015 , 02:13 AM

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Havax

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K4hh is the only value hand that I can figure out that makes sense that he'd c/c, c/c, lead river with. $225 certainly isn't a blocker bet. What position is V in?

Also kind of feels like QJ and he's trying to take it with a river lead. J9 doesn't have enough showdown value against that. No sense in shoving, a min-raise on the river would be enough to fold out his air if we decided to go that route.

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03-10-2015 , 09:34 AM

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oldsilver

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ul to brick here. he was stacking off with his set of 3s on a 7/Q river. he'll donate next time.

as for the line:
more pre, but you iso'd, so ok
less otf, but he called, so ok
more turn, but he was probably calling anyway, so disappointing lack of FE but decent chance of huge pot brewing here.

otr curse your luck - but you did miss so you fold and move on to next hand. what credible range would you raise over his river lead? you call overpairs and repping sets is not a good idea. nothing you can do.

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03-10-2015 , 09:44 AM

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pokerarb

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Hasn't been said yet. Don't mind limping this pre

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