Villain is a high stakes omaha player who I see play the $5/10/25 regularly. He doesnt play holdem much but he sat in our game waiting for a seat in the bigger omaha game running at that time.

No history whatsoever with vilain so far.

Villain opens $30 MP $1,000 eff. Hero CO JT calls. (thoughts on 3bet?folding?). BB calls.

Flop ($92): 875
MP bets $65. Hero calls. (We float here as there will be a lot of turn cards where I expect him to slow down on and where I can put pressure)
Is raising better here? Anyone prefer folding?

Turn ($222): 9
MP check, Hero $145, He calls

River ($512): 2
MP shoves $500.

I think river is a pretty easy call given how often omaha players like to turn their hands into bluff, most interested in the flop and preflop play.

I play it the same i think. Do not fold pre or otf. Do not fold river.

I would never fold the river vs anyone

+1 I like pre, flop, and turn.

& Is river really that easy of a call? Actually curious about that spot.

I think it's fine. River could have been a better card, but I'm not folding.

Not a snap call, but a call.

Pre is fine assuming we are BTN. If we are CO or HJ i'm less enthusiastic but still reasonable.

Having the BB in there on the flop is kind of a big factor. I'd assume this flop hits BB's range pretty hard. I think i still mostly call tho.

Turn: Bet bigggggerrrr.
Villain is used to calling PSB's, so lets oblige him.

River: Wouldn't a shove be for ~750?
For 500, i think calling river is marginal but okay, if we suspect he does this with AsAx/KsKx and some other random stuff also. He probably has around 15-20 flush combo's so we only need him to have 7-10 bluffs, which seems reasonable. Definitely not a snapcall though. More like sigh/puke call.

For 750, we need him to have 10-15 bluff combos, which i think is stretching it a bit.

Why 3bet? What to we accomplish by 3betting? He's probably not going to fold better hands since he's a PLO reg and we're deep, and he's not gonna continue with very many worse hands either.

We're pretty deep here with a hand that plays pretty well in a SRP, especially multiway with position. If you think you're not good enough to outplay the PLO reg you can fold, but he doesn't have reads on you and your range is relatively wide. I'm comfortable with flatting.

I don't feel like raising flop is a good idea. In a low drawy board after flatting in position, our hand looks like exactly what it is when we raise, and I don't expect V to give us any credit. He'll flat the raise and then bluffcatch high cards.

Turn and river is standard. Your reasoning sounds correct.

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The above quote from your post is a very key piece of information in this hand. Why are you trying to get into a somewhat marginal spot against this player ?? Also, what information leads you to believe he doesn't play hold'em much? Just because he is usually sitting in the big PLO game doesn't automatically mean he might be weaker in Hold'em.

I wouldn't be "floating" weak here against described villain. If you hit your J or T, he is most likely going to continue putting the pressure on and your going to be getting yourself in trouble. You hit the gin card on the turn, very lucky!

Just calling the turn is decent because you have position and are really only afraid of the spades or the board pairing...raising here would be fine too though.

So did he shove or bet pot on river ? you said 1k effective stacks ...anyways I would be folding to either bet on the river. Reasoning would be that his range includes a hell of a lot of spade flushes.

How to calculate that for $750 we need him to have 10-15 bluff combos?

yes coz the original raiser has way less flushes in his range than the callers.

I think the river is actually very close, the spades is exactly the hand he is repping. In fact both players in this hand are repping flushes and he is first in, usually has nut flush or nothing and is completely polarized imo.

But being EP, he has very few nut flushes. Assume a GTO player who folds A3s EP but raises with a std range of ATs+. This is why it's a standard call on the river with no reads. there are about 1/3 the amount of flushes in an EP open range than a LP calling range.

The turn is everything here. There is a lot of information when he does not bet. Does he play his flush draws the same way? A lot of people will check call the turn with the FD and a lot who will fire both streets. Then there are those of us who have an understanding of GTO and are capable of switching up.

River is actually decoupled from the rest of the hand. He either has it or doesn't and a fold could be a very profitable fold vs some and a very profitable call vs others.

This is why you should never fold this flop. All your outs are hidden and you can play for big money on the river.

He who plays the river perfect wins

also you can break down the math of this a lot better if you gave us the number of players seated and the actual position at the table the raise came from. Middle position has more flushes than early position

I think call is correct but the later the position the original raise came from, the more flushes will be in his range

If you applied a standard GTO range to the position, then you can figure out how many flushes should be in his range at the river

River is a Fold. All you're doing is bluff-catching 100BB with 'No history', the rest is just noise that makes for very expensive assumptions.

It shouldn't be hard to imagine that an experienced poker player could elect to ck and then call his equity+implied (maybe it cks through, maybe better than bet-c) when hero has all the 6x in range. A hand like KTss could be played like this.

Sure, maybe he dgaf, but his line really doesn't indicate that and has no perceived FE as a bluff. Granted, I'm folding, but that certainly is the exception.

I'm fine with all streets.

Note that V also has some 6x hands that he could conceivably be value betting here. 66, A6, 76 and 56 are all in his range.

Exactly, so shouldn't hit river jam be extremely strong considering the fact we have tons more flushes in our range?

I'm also not even saying its necessarily a fold, just was surprised that the first few posters and OP thought it was a trivial call, where as I would have thought it was a pretty tough spot

My instinct is to fold here on the river. Mathematically speaking it's a call. Vs an Omaha player it's probably more of a call coz he can block the As and have something like AKo with a spade.

None of us can really help with the river because it's so situation dependent. My gut says fold and my math says call so IDK

Rest of the hand is great.

nah he never has just one spade here, he check/called the turn, also fired the river, repping a flush exactly imo

river is really tough, he's firing out on a low board where we have a ton of his pf hands crushed, it could def be a fold river

I can't see him c/c on turn with AKo. I think he pretty clearly only has As10x here as a bluff. I'm folding personally, his line makes a lot of sense as spades and very little as a bluff.

Because of Hero's bet on the turn, Hero doesn't look as much like a spade flush draw. Wouldn't he just check behind -- unless he picked up some equity? This makes a bluff from V more likely. However, this is a gut call at the table. I probably make it.

Calling river is insane. No idea what two cards we hope to see.

You think that when he hits a straight on the turn he c/c a wet board with two flush draws? I think V has no 6s in his range here.

he's an omaha player, they looooooooooooove to pull the ol' nut blocker bluff.

that said, OP:

1) we aren't $1k effective, we're $740 effective.

2) pre is fine, JTdd plays well h/u or MW. could consider 3 balling pre if the blinds are tough players. flat pre if the blinds are weaker and we want them to come along.

3) if he's pulling the nut blocker play here, what hand could have that would do this? As6x (if he even opening this)? AsTx? AsAx? meanwhile he's got all sorts of flushes in his range here and his line looks like it: c-bet flop, x/c turn, bomb river when a straightening card comes.

tough fold, but i think the river is a fold imo.

I might go a bit smaller on the turn to possibly induce some x/r bluffs (raaaarely do I do this, but this guy seems like a good candidate, someone who will read a smaller turn bet as a feeler bet and can x/r with semi-bluffs). The difference in EV between betting 145 and 105 is small considering your there's not a lot of hands he can call river with. But if you induce an x/r vs. his bluffs every so often it makes up for the smaller turn sizing by far.

NH, good pre, good flop (as long as you flat with a plan), and very likely calling river as you said given what your perceived range is and the fact that he's a bigger game/omaha player.

i guess some of you autoassume omahaplayers are braindead
AKo with Aspades? right...

I think preflop is a fine call, in similar scenarios I hear HS guys accidentally opening too large preflop i.e. Standard raise 30 or 35 in a 5/10 game.

I think I would flat the flop based on his bet size. Im never ever folding this IP on a flop that smashes our range 200BB deep. I think raising is fine too as we have a ton of sets and two pair. i would lean towards raising this on a rainbow board rather than flatting.

OTT I would go bigger as hes never ever folding AA or KK to a bigger bet size, nor a turned pair and flush draw especially as you can be valuebetting a hand like QQ OTT.

OTR its a really annoying spot.

Value combos is something like A9ss K9ss Q9ss J9ss T9ss. If hes a super sicko whos insanely picky with his ranges he could have AKss too to have some other FDs OTR when he check calls but lets leave those out as they dont effect our calculation too much. Similarly lets ignore the 7xss combos which might also feasibly play this way.

Air combos I really cant think of anything either than AsXx or maybe As9x. Im not sure if he feels like he needs to necessarily turn those into a bluff but lets give him half of those combos even though he might not be necessarily raising A9o pre (from my exp these hs guys raise extremely wide at the vic).

Adding it all up it looks like a pretty slim call to me. Ive assumed he has 5 value combos so he needs to have about 2.5 bluffs for the breakeven call. Also your perceived range looks extremely strong here as you can have a ton if two pair, some turned top set, flushes etc. When I play live I take this factor into account a lot with my river decisions (please dont exploit me






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I also forgot a few hands like T9s J9s without spades which might feasibly xc OTT. Your hand actually blocks a couple of these combos, although admittedly weighing it all up it wont effect our calculation that much as its only 2 combos.


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PF: Yep, I call.

Flop: We don't fold, we call or raise. I think I like a call against an unknown on this board. However, raising would push him off of all air that beats us, some lower PP, and confuse him with our semi-draw. But I still like a call.

Turn: Bet the turn to build the pot. I'd prob bet at least 165.

River: Flush or Nothing, what you gonna do. I think you call. But his line looks like he has a flush more than not. I'll change that his line certainly reps the flush, and nothing else.